Showing posts with label consent. Show all posts
Showing posts with label consent. Show all posts

Sunday, July 12, 2026

Blogaround

Links not related to the antichrist:

1. Types of Tornado Alert (July 3) From xkcd.

2. Chip Off The Old Block (July 1) "I’m not claiming any of this is smart or interesting. I’m claiming he constantly says whatever he’s thinking about to anyone around him, no matter how irrelevant and repetitive, and that this is of course the first sign of a future great blogger."

His kids are about the same age as my daughter, and yeah this whole post is what it's like.

3. On Christianity and Aliens (cont’d.) (June 29) "Your faith can be shattered not just by visitors from Vulcan and Vega, but by visitors from Samaria and the uttermost parts of the earth. It is existentially threatened by the idea that God might also love anybody who isn’t you."

4. Platner formally withdraws from Maine Senate race and Democrats announce process to name new nominee (July 11) "The formal withdrawal comes two days after Platner said he would quit the race, facing an allegation of sexual assault that he has denied."

And: The Banality of Misogyny (July 7, via) "It’s just occurring to me, she says, because I’ve never told anyone he assaulted me, I don’t know how I would ever get anyone to believe me if I needed to down the line. So I wanted to tell you, just in case."

And also, about Graham Platner, there are some corners of the internet (for example) which are discussing the fact that the victim apparently had texted him to say she needed a "glute massage", and he said he was coming over, and she told him not to. Discussing whether this means that it's not really rape.

I'm kind of thinking about this from 3 different angles. First, there's the modesty/ purity culture angle, which says that if a girl/woman does anything that might inspire a man to think about her body in a sexual way, well, men just aren't able to control themselves. From that point, whatever he does is not his fault. She should know that.

There's also the "it was a misunderstanding" angle. Whenever there's a big news story where a victim comes forward to talk about being sexually assaulted, and we hear the details of the story, there are always things that people will point to and say "she was sending mixed messages" and how could the perpetrator have known that the victim didn't want it? If she doesn't want it, but she doesn't tell him that directly, and she just goes along with it, then from his perspective it's consensual, and he is utterly shocked to later find out that she feels it was not consensual. I don't think this applies to the Platner case because the victim says she directly said no (here's the link to the Politico article that broke the story), but I've seen it in other cases.

I think there's quite a difference between "mixed messages" and "literally how could he have known that she didn't want it, there were no signs." And I think it's very normal that there would be [what people call] "mixed messages" leading up to a sexual assault, because the reason the perpetrator was able to get that close is because the victim does like them / trust them / is attracted to them, to some extent. Calling it "mixed messages" assumes that the only 2 possibilities are "she wants to have sex with him, specifically in the way that he wants" or "she doesn't want anything to do with him at all", and when we categorize her actions into these 2 categories, wow it's so puzzling how some of them fit into one category and some of them fit into the other one. Mixed messages. 

Like, uh, maybe she actually wanted something else, and the problem is that we're trying to force it to be one of these 2 specific things.

And then there's the "playing social games" angle (not sure what to call it, but we'll call it that). Basically, there's sort of a set of rules for social interactions between people, and you can manipulate people to get what you want- as long as you stay within the rules, no one can blame you. For example, if someone says "no", then you have to stop, and you can't have sex with them. But if you ask them over and over, and you manage to catch them in a state of mind where they don't say "no" because they don't have energy or they're not thinking clearly- ha, they didn't say "no", that means you *can* have sex with them and you can't be blamed. You've played the game and won, that's how it works.

You see this same kind of thinking when kids annoy each other playing the "I'm not touching you" game. One kid is hovering in the other kid's personal space, but because they are not *actually* touching, they are still acting within the rules, and they claim that the other kid therefore can't complain about it. It's a line of thinking based on "see what I can get away with", where the standard way we interact with other people is that we try to get what we want, we try to do things to people that they don't like, and it's just a matter of being clever enough to do it within the rules that society has prescribed.

So then when people talk about rape and consent, and say things like "drunk people can't consent to sex," for people who are coming from that "playing social games" perspective, it comes across like a slight modification in the rules of the social games. Like, now instead of targeting drunk people, in your efforts to do things to people that they don't want, you can maybe try getting your victim to drink a little bit but not enough to "count" as drunk under the societally-recognized rules.

And for the people arguing "it was a misunderstanding"- maybe we shouldn't take that to mean "if you, as an objective observer, witnessed the entire sequence of events, you genuinely might not realize that this person didn't want it" but rather "this person said something flirty, therefore the rules of social obligation say that the other person is *right* to expect that they are going to have sex. Why are you feminists suddenly trying to change the rules? This is so unfair." The "misunderstanding" is about whether the victim said something which does or does not belong to the category of "flirty things that mean they want to have sex"- if it does fit in that category, then they *do* owe the other person sex- the "misunderstanding" is that the victim believed it did not fit in that category, but the perpetrator thought it did. Rather than the "misunderstanding" being about "I paid attention to all of your behavior and I actually had no idea that you didn't want it."

But the real solution is not about closing loopholes, defining the rules perfectly so that there's no opportunity for rapists to rape while still carefully following all the rules. What we actually want is consent culture. A cultural norm where people own their own bodies, and you cannot do something to someone that they don't want. Like, genuinely, it's not about keeping within society's rules; it's about not doing things to people that they don't want.

It was so mind-blowing to me to learn about boundaries- the idea that the bedrock truth is that I own myself, my body, my money, my feelings, etc, and the challenge of navigating the social games of what to say in a confusing situation is just a superficial external layer, rather than a game that I need to win in order to escape the prospect of people doing things to me that I don't want. 

Like if a pushy salesperson keeps telling me I should buy their product, and I tell them I don't want it, and they explain to me why my reasons for not wanting it are not valid, and we go back and forth, until I don't know what to say anymore- so, that means I have to buy it. Under the "playing social games" logic, that's what it means. The salesperson is better at the game of staying within the appearance of having a polite conversation while also pushing me into something I don't want. But, no, let's not look at it that way, let's look at it from the "boundaries" perspective. My money is mine, and nobody has the right to *make* me buy something- and that's true regardless of my ability to think of a polite/convincing response. "No" is a complete sentence. You don't *have* to explain your reasons. Sure, it's good to be polite about it- it's a little rude to just directly say "you can't make me do this, you have no right"- but that politeness is just a surface-level thing, that's just a layer you put on the top, while the bedrock truth of it is nobody has the right to make you do something you don't want. If you can't think of a polite response, that doesn't mean you lost the social game and now people have a right to do things to you- it means you are allowed to be a little rude, to say "no" even though people might think that level of directness is a bit outside of the rules of the social games.

It's like I said in this post, Welcome to Purity Culture, Today We are Overanalyzing Hugs, where I responded to an article that included a section on what to do "If his hug makes you feel uncomfortable" that gave some tips about how to avoid a hug while still staying within the rules of the social games- for example, "When he reaches out to hug you, turn and give him a side hug rather than a front-on hug." Sure, these can be useful suggestions, but I didn't like how it was framed like, here are some strategies for playing this social game, hope this helps you win. Rather than, like, you have an absolute right to refuse a hug, and here are some tips for how to spin your refusal in a socially-acceptable polite way, but at the end of the day, if someone doesn't get the hint and they're still trying to invade your space, they are the one in the wrong, and you are allowed to be rude.

Anyway, something I've seen on the internet, where people talk about consent and explain it as, literally you should only have sex with someone who wants to have sex with you. It's not about memorizing more and more detailed rules and staying within them while also manipulating people to get what you want. No, it's way simpler than that- it's about whether the other person *genuinely wants to have sex with you*. And then there are replies from people who finally got that that's what "consent" means, and they're incredulous. They reply and say 'this sounds totally unworkable. I can only have sex with someone who genuinely wants to have sex with me? That doesn't sound like something that would ever happen- you feminists are saying I can never have sex at all.' This really says something about them- maybe they haven't technically raped anyone (?), but their entire approach for all of their previous sexual experiences has been about manipulating people into things they may or may not want. Like, approaching dating/sex more as a game theory thing than as a "we both actually want this" thing.

Playing social games vs actually caring about what the other person wants. If someone says she wants a "glute massage", then by the rules of the social games, you can probably get away with claiming that she was asking for it. And, from the "playing social games" perspective, that's what matters- rather than genuinely caring about what the other person wants or doesn't want.

5. Sunday reading (July 5) "There is not a man beneath the canopy of heaven, that does not know that slavery is wrong for him."

6. Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close Trump ally, dies after a brief and unexpected illness, his office says (July 12) "Graham appeared to break with Trump after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, saying, “Count me out. Enough is enough.” But the senator returned to the fold and remained close with the president during his second term."

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Links related to the antichrist:

1. Two-hundred-and-fifty years in, Justice Jackson is doing the work that is needed from our leaders (July 5) "On this Fourth of July, I am thinking about how important it is for the United States that we have leaders willing to speak forthrightly about our past and ambitiously about our future in order to make it through the treacherous present."

2. The Wet And Wild Freedom Day Catastrophe (July 7) "The only place for these tens of thousands to go, realistically, was the streets outside the event, which is exactly what happened: a crush of bodies clustered at the entrance points and choking off traffic for blocks. Everyone is just as exposed to the elements out here as we were in there, except now we are angrily bunched together with nothing to do but endure the storm and stew about the stupidity of it all."

Donald Trump Throws Miserable Tribute To Himself On America's 250th Birthday (July 6) "The Trump team claims it had planned for the weather, but the slapdash look and feel of the tents, the free-for-all of water distribution from pallets, and the general lack of common sense and guidance in dealing with (increasingly) extreme weather suggests otherwise."

3. Lorenzo Salgado Araujo shot and killed by ICE agent in Houston, authorities confirm: Live updates (July 11) 

Men who witnessed deadly Houston shooting say ICE statement is false, attorney says (July 10) "But the three men who were riding in Salgado Araujo’s work van told attorney Hugo Balderas-Ibarra the version of events presented by ICE is false: 'At no point did they use the van to ram into the ICE agents and at no point were these ICE agents’ lives ever in any danger,' the lawyer said in a video posted to his Instagram."

4. GOP governor signs bill forcing trans inmates to detransition (July 6) "The bill does not allow those who have already begun treatment to continue and does not offer any plan to wean them off the medication. Experts say forcing them to stop at all, let alone cold turkey, will have disastrous mental and physical health consequences."

5. The Christian Past That Wasn't (June 30, via) "There are many stories like this that invent a grand narrative about the Christian past of our nation— a Christian past that, put simply, wasn’t. Some of these stories are false. Some contain a measure of truth, but they are exaggerated in such a way that they become mythical. Those who believe America was or is or should be a Christian nation use these fabrications to create myths about America from the days of the first European arrival to the present."

Friday, May 15, 2026

Marriage

 

"Mawwiage." (From "The Princess Bride.") Image source.

[content note: it's about how, historically, sexual violence has always been a big part of marriage]

Thinking a lot about marriage lately, and what marriage is overall, in a general sense. As in, if you look at all marriages throughout history. The overall picture of it is very bleak for women, and I don't know what to think about that. My own marriage and my own culture- where you get married to someone because you genuinely love them and want to marry them, and you are equals- this is very much an anomaly if you take an outside, objective view of what marriage has always been.

Saturday, February 28, 2026

"This advice isn't meant for abusive relationships"

Silhouette of a man and woman holding hands. Image source.

[content note: abuse, rape, victim-blaming]

Here's a good post from Sheila Wray Gregoire: Why You Can’t Say: “This Advice Isn’t Meant for Those in Abusive Marriages”. Gregoire has written many blog posts and books criticizing the harmful marriage advice that is constantly being promoted in Christian spaces, pointing out how this advice is often so bad, it will make an abusive relationship even worse. And sometimes people respond by saying this criticism isn't valid because the advice was only intended for normal, healthy relationships, not for abusive relationships.

(Here's a link with a bunch of examples of Christian marriage books with this kind of unhealthy advice.)

In her post, Gregoire says this response doesn't make sense, because statistically, something like 25% of the readers of these books are in abusive relationships. And people in abusive relationships often don't recognize the abuse until years later. They just read these Christian marriage advice books, and try so hard to follow the advice and fix their marriages.

This is a really good point and I'm glad Gregoire is writing about it. I want to add a few of my own thoughts here.

Friday, February 6, 2026

My thoughts have changed on aces "pleasing their partners"

Asexual flag. Image source.

This post is part of the January/February 2026 Carnival of Aces. The topic is "second glance."

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[content note: it's about consenting to sex you don't like]

It's a common piece of info I've often seen in "asexuality 101" resources. "Some aces do choose to have sex, for various reasons. Like, curiosity. Or, because it feels good. Or, to please their partner." 

And way back when, that was also a reason for me. But now my thinking has changed on this. Having sex just because your partner wants to is much more complicated than the breezy way it's presented in Asexuality 101. It is, quite possibly, a bad idea

Sunday, October 5, 2025

"Girls & Sex" (book review)

Book cover for "Girls & Sex" by Peggy Orenstein

[content note: discussion of porn, discussion of oral sex]

Here's my review of the book Girls & Sex: Navigating the Complicated New Landscape by Peggy Orenstein. Overall, I enjoyed it, and I feel like it helped me understand some things about the way people talk about sex.

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Overview

This book is about the culture ("hookup culture") surrounding high school and college girls, in regards to sexual relationships. It's about what's expected, what's seen as normal, what they want, how they feel about it, what kinds of expectations they are facing from boys, how girls' knowledge of feminism doesn't necessarily stop their behavior from being dictated by these societal pressures, etc.

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Wednesday, July 2, 2025

"Give Birth Like a Feminist" (book review)

Book cover for "Give Birth Like a Feminist"

I recently read the book Give Birth Like a Feminist by Milli Hill. It's about the rights of pregnant people to make choices during the process of laboring and giving birth to their babies, rather than just being pushed along by doctors telling them what's going to happen. You may recall I've written before about how I'm interested in what consent should look like in a medical context- so obviously I'm interested in this book. Also I've given birth twice so yes I have some opinions on that.

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People say "A healthy baby is all that matters"

This is something I've heard many times- when a woman tells the story of how she gave birth, and there are always some things that went wrong or didn't go the way she would have preferred, and then someone says it's okay, all that matters is that the mom and baby are alive and healthy.

I don't like when people say that. Very much disagree. The writer of this book, Milli Hill, also very much disagrees.

I guess when people say all that matters is that the baby's healthy, there are 2 different ways you could understand that:

  1. Some things didn't go the way the pregnant person expected/wanted- for example, medical issues meant that the baby had to be born early, so you're rushing around in a panic, texting your manager on the way to the hospital to tell them you have to start maternity leave right now, you didn't even have time to buy things for the baby yet, all you have is a bunch of newborn clothes somebody gave you, and you thought they looked kinda old and ugly and didn't want to use them, but now that's all you have for your baby to wear. And whenever you look at your kid's newborn photos, the kid is wearing those ugly clothes. 
    The sorts of things that are like, at the time, they're really stressful, but later you look back on them and you can kinda laugh because they're not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things, and everything turned out fine.
  2. You feel you were pressured or coerced into doing things that you didn't want. (For example, getting an epidural or not getting an epidural, getting induced, C-section, not having skin-to-skin time right after the baby is born, etc.) You wanted your birth experience to go a certain way, but other people disregarded what you wanted and pushed you into things that you didn't want- and you were vulnerable and in pain and weren't able to stand up for yourself. You feel violated. You have trauma from that. The birth of your child is a very important moment in your life, and it could have gone so much better, but that was taken from you.
    And then you hear people say "all that matters is that the baby is healthy" like they think you should just ignore your trauma and pretend it doesn't exist.

And maybe in between these 2 things, there's a whole range of experiences that a pregnant person may have had, where they didn't get the kind of birth experience they wanted, and for some cases it's best to just conclude that it's not a big deal and move on, and for some cases, there is real trauma there, and it can only heal when you acknowledge it and believe that you did deserve better.

(And there can also be trauma from genuine medical issues, but that's kind of a different thing than what we're talking about here.)

The point of this book is, it's NOT true that as long as the mom and baby are healthy, everything is fine. Pregnant people deserve better than that- we deserve to be listened to and respected. We deserve to have choices. If doctors do things to you which feel traumatic and violating, and then people say it's fine because at least no one died, well, that's NOT COOL.

(Also, I've often heard moms talking about what they wish had gone differently with giving birth, from a sort of "mommy wars" perspective- ie, if you're a good mom, you should give birth without an epidural, etc. The idea that your birth experience is supposed to go a certain way, or else society will judge you and say you're a failure as a mom/ as a woman. And it can be good and healthy to just ignore society's judgment, and say "just because my experience didn't fit this 'ideal' image, doesn't mean it was bad." Yes, I agree with this advice. But this aspect of it wasn't really what was discussed in the book. It wasn't about judging one's birth experience from a "mommy wars" perspective. It was about being able to make your own choices. It was about consent.)

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Is your doctor actually working in your best interest?

In an ideal world, of course the doctors and medical staff are working in the patients' best interest. But, here in reality, sometimes patients have concerns, and doctors don't listen to them, and this leads to worse problems. Or sometimes doctors perform various medical interventions during the process of labor and giving birth (induction, C-section, forceps delivery, episiotomy, etc), and these interventions actually do more harm than good. Because of problems like this, maternal mortality rates are higher than they should be- especially for certain marginalized groups like Black women.

Why do doctors do these kinds of interventions, if the patient doesn't need it? Why not just let the patient labor by themself and give birth vaginally, and only intervene if you run into serious problems? Well, I can think of a few reasons:

  • Interventions mean the doctor is the one in control. If you're trying to have a natural delivery, who knows how long you'll be in labor? Could be hours and hours. The doctor has to wait around that whole time- this is very inconvenient for the doctor. But if you get a C-section, well, the doctor knows exactly what to do and when and exactly how long it will take. This is much better for the doctor's schedule. Rather than having a timetable that's out of their control.
  • Sometimes patients feel like nothing is happening, and it would make them feel better if the doctor would just *do something*. I think the issue there is when pregnant people are not well-informed about what labor and birth actually look like. If you have only seen it on tv, you probably expect that it all happens very fast and exciting- but actually, the reality is you'll probably be experiencing contractions for 24 hours or so, before the baby is finally born. When you're all excited and you get to the hospital and get changed into your hospital gown and they hook you up to the fetal monitoring and it's all very exciting, and then, okay, and then pretty much nothing happens. You have to just wait around, experiencing contractions for hours and hours. It's kinda boring. Sometimes patients will be unhappy with this, and will want to know, isn't there anything the doctor can do to make this faster??? And, yes, there are things the doctor can do to make it faster. But it's not a good idea to do that, if there's no actual medical reason for it. But if you're there in that situation, and you expected it to go a certain way, because you aren't well-informed about what labor actually looks like, it might make you feel better for the doctor to do things (that aren't actually necessary and might do more harm than good).
  • Doctors are afraid of getting sued. It's much more likely that they'll get sued for "you should have done something, but you did nothing"' than for doing something that maybe was not necessary and resulted in additional complications. So it's not really about what's in the patient's best interest, it's about what the doctor is more likely to get sued for.

I'm in China, and I've heard that Chinese hospitals serve such a huge number of patients, so they don't want you taking up a spot in the labor room if you're taking forever and nothing seems to be happening. After a certain amount of time, they would want to do a C-section. I gave birth at an international hospital in China so I wasn't in that kind of environment though.

And another thing that happens is, doctors tell you that there's some serious problem, and they have to do some medical procedure on you right away, or else there is a risk that your baby might die. They act like it's very urgent, and there's no time to actually understand the situation or what your options are, DO YOU WANT YOUR BABY TO DIE???? This is a very difficult situation to be in, as a patient, because you're not an expert in pregnancy complications- how do you know if it's really as serious as what the doctor is saying? Or is it just a small risk that they are blowing out of proportion? Or do they have other reasons, not related to your health or the baby's health, that they want to push you into some medical intervention? It can be really coercive.

It can help a lot, in this situation, to have a midwife or doula who is "on your side." The midwife or doula will be knowledgeable enough to know if the risk is really as great as what the doctor is saying.

Honestly, though, my opinion is, you should talk to the doctor during the pregnancy, and make sure you find a doctor you can trust. During your prenatal appointments, talk to them about what kind of birth you want to have, and see what their perspective is. Find information about what percentage of births at their hospital are vaginal vs C-section, and other statistics like that. You find a doctor you can trust, who supports the kind of birth experience you want to have, and then if they tell you there's some kind of urgent reason they need to do something that wasn't in the plan, you can trust that it's because there really is a medical reason, not because they just don't care about your plan. You don't have to be in a situation where you're second-guessing them and have no idea if your baby is actually at risk or not. (And then afterward, you always wonder if you should be grateful to the doctor for saving your baby's life, or if everything would have been fine if they had just done nothing, and they violated you and disregarded your wishes for no good reason.)

For example: When my second child was born, we had discussed with the doctor beforehand that my husband was going to cut the umbilical cord. This is apparently a thing that a lot of dads find meaningful. I don't think my husband really had a strong opinion about it though. But then, my baby came out, and the doctor was immediately saying "cut it" in Chinese, and the doctor and nurses cut the cord right away. Turns out this was because the cord was around the baby's neck, and she wasn't breathing. The doctor cut the cord and immediately handed the baby over to the other medical staff there who know how to get the baby to start breathing. (Don't worry, they got the baby to breathe.) So, the doctor didn't follow the plan, but there was a good reason for it- you don't want to be in the middle of a situation like that, and be arguing with the doctor because you don't trust that they actually cared about your plan.

It is a privilege, though, to be able to have access to a doctor you can trust like that. In some places, there are not any good options, or they are too expensive. This is so wrong- everyone should have a doctor who listens to them and is supportive.

This book talked about how women are often told they are "not allowed" to do something. That it's the hospital policy. They're "not allowed" to do skin-to-skin with the baby immediately after birth. They're "not allowed" to do delayed cord clamping. They're "not allowed" to continue laboring after a certain number of hours. They're "not allowed" to continue being pregnant past 41 weeks, they have to get induced. 

How can you be "not allowed" to do these very simple things? It's your body!

Why do we have this concept that hospitals are in charge, and they tell you what you are or aren't allowed to do with your own body? It should be that the hospital's services are a resource that pregnant people choose to use, as they make their own health care decisions.

The book makes the connection between birth trauma and sexual assault and the #metoo movement. Between the concepts of consent as it relates to sex, and consent as it relates to giving birth. Here is a quote from page 177:

Just as women were once told, 'sex is for procreation and nothing more,' they are now told, 'childbirth is for procreation and nothing more'. In either act, what matters is the production of a healthy baby, and the woman is merely a means to that end. The experience of childbirth is dismissed as meaningless and unimportant to a woman's body, heart or soul, just as the experience of sex used to be.

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Birth plans

The book said that society mocks women who make detailed birth plans- saying they are too high-maintenance, too controlling, need to be more realistic, need to learn to "go with the flow," their expectations are not reasonable, etc.

What is a birth plan? It's a document that the pregnant person writes, to communicate their preferences for how they want labor and birth to go. When I was pregnant, I read online that I should write one, so I did, and I brought it to a prenatal appointment to show the doctor. He read it and basically said yeah all of it is fine, it's all consistent with hospital policy. Then we didn't really discuss the birth plan again, and then during the actual birth, a bunch of things did not go according to plan, but I was okay with that because I did trust the doctors and nurses to respect me and my choices.

You should do this if you are pregnant. You should write a birth plan and discuss it with your doctor, well before the actual birth. Milli Hill also thinks so, and says it is not cool how women get mocked for expecting doctors to care about their birth plans. There's this caricature of a pregnant woman being really unrealistic about her birth plan- don't you know that sometimes things go wrong? Don't you know that birth isn't really something that can be planned down to the last detail?

Okay, people who mock birth plans are really misrepresenting the whole thing. Making a birth plan doesn't mean you're in denial of the fact that things don't always go according to plan. It's about communicating what you want. There are plenty of things that are extremely reasonable, that it's best to communicate with the hospital beforehand. Who do you want to be with you when you give birth? Do you want to bounce on a yoga ball during labor? Ask the hospital whether they provide a yoga ball. 

Making a birth plan isn't like, you actually believe it's going to happen that way, just because you wrote it down. It's about communicating with the medical staff about your preferences and your choices. Yes, you absolutely should have a birth plan.

Here's a quote from page 53 about women feeling bad for "getting their hopes up":

Interestingly, and also in common with other forms of violence against women, it is often the woman who is left carrying the blame and shame in the aftermath. Just as the woman who has been attacked may feel that the clothes she wore or the route she took home at the end of the night may have contributed to her violation, women traumatised by birth will spend the days, weeks or even years afterwards going over the events in fine detail and asking, 'What could I have done differently?' And, just as men are rarely asked to reflect on what they could do to reduce violence against women there is similarly considerably less postnatal analysis - and often none at all - done by the individuals, institutions and systems that inflict birth trauma. Women are left with the shameful reflection that they 'should not have got their hopes up', 'should not have made a birth plan', or 'should have just gone with the flow' and those messages are consistently reinforced in popular culture. Those who try to take control of their births, and antenatal courses and teachers who encourage them to believe they can do so, are consistently derided and mocked. 'Yes,' the woman thinks to herself, 'I was totally unrealistic to think I could have a positive experience of birth, and that is why I now feel so awful. It is my fault I feel this way.' This is victim-blaming, pure and simple.

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She is more of a "hippie" than me

It's very clear that the author, Hill, personally believes home birth is better than hospital birth. There are statistics in the book about how only a very low percentage of women are having home births, and this is presented as a bad thing. Also, the book talks about how many medical professionals have only experienced birth in a hospital setting, isn't it sad that they don't even know what their patients are missing out on.

Also, there's a lot of language in here about pregnant women being naked and roaring and powerful. I'm not really... that's not really my thing. I'm not into the idea of feeling powerful and "trusting my body" while giving birth. I already grew the whole baby during the pregnancy, that's already impressive and "powerful" enough, I don't also need the birth to be like that. I want to be with doctors and nurses who know what they're doing. Make it easy for me.

I mean, if I was stranded at a truck stop and had to give birth there, I would encourage myself with talk of my powerful feminine energy, but thank goodness I never had to do that. Let's avoid that if possible.

My opinion is, I don't really believe in this talk about "trust your body" and "women's bodies are made to do this" (the book uses language like, hospital birth is based on the belief that "women's bodies don't really work"). Because, yes, sure, giving birth is natural and the body has processes that handle it- but from an evolutionary perspective, that only has to "work" at a rate high enough so humanity as a species can continue. It's not something that I as an individual woman can rely on. Giving birth is natural, but dying in childbirth is also natural. I don't want to take my chances on that; I want a doctor who knows what they're doing.

Note, though, that actually studies have shown that home birth is just as safe as hospital birth- if there is a midwife present at the home birth who knows how to recognize when you need professional help, and you have a backup plan about how to get to the hospital if necessary. So, sure, okay, I guess it makes sense that some pregnant people would want to do it that way, but I very much do not.

Even though the author clearly has a preference for home birth (and being naked and roaring, etc), the book repeatedly emphasizes that this is about supporting all women's choices in childbirth. It's NOT about saying one type of birth is "better." The book says we should support women along the whole entire spectrum of options- from home birth to elective C-section.

Here's a quote from page 13:

We also need to talk about those women who don't want or cannot have straightforward vaginal births. There is literally not one single birth scenario in which increasing empathy for the woman, listening to her voice, respecting her decisions, and honouring that this is an extraordinary day in her life will not be valid. There is literally not one single type of birth that we cannot improve upon. The best way to find out more about this is again to listen to women. I learned so much about what women want in birth from talking to those those have experienced caesarean, and in particular, caesarean under general anesthetic - often the most difficult birth experience to process and recover from. From them I learned that the smallest of gestures can make the biggest and most life-changing differences. Taking a few moments to photograph the newborn on their mother's chest, for example, even if she is still unconscious, will create something she will treasure for a lifetime, a tangible antidote to her trauma. Women repeat again and again how much it means to them to know that their hands were among the first to touch their baby, even if they were not 'there' to experience it. Every small gesture matters, and we can always do better.

Yes! Totally agree with this! It is absolutely NOT true that if some kind of emergency comes up and you can't have a birth according to your birth plan, then you have no choices or consent at all and the doctors take over everything. This example of the C-section under general anesthesia- this would happen only in very rare cases, when there's such an extreme emergency and the baby has to be born right away, and there's not even time to do an epidural; the only way to give the pregnant person anesthesia fast enough is to use general anesthesia. Being asleep while your baby is born, yeah, that would be traumatic. I definitely see how it can help, to take a photo of the baby on the mother's chest, and other little gestures like that.

Don't view it like the "home birth" end of the spectrum is the "respecting women's choices and consent" end, and the "hospitalized birth" end of the spectrum is less so. No, at every point along the spectrum, no matter what kind of birth you end up having, even if legitimate medical problems mean it ends up having more interventions than you originally wanted- every birth can be improved by doctors respecting the pregnant person and caring about their choices.

So yes, the book says sometimes there are circumstances where you really do need a doctor. Doctors are experts in medical interventions for pregnancy complications- which are sometimes necessary to save lives- and midwives are experts in how pregnant people's bodies are meant to naturally give birth, and how to support them in that. Doctors and midwives both have important expertise, and they should learn from each other.

Yeah, throughout human history, the midwife role has been very important. And women knew about how childbirth worked because they were there to support the other women in their family who gave birth. But that knowledge is not really being passed down any more. It's really common for women to not really have any idea about the reality of what childbirth looks like, until they're actually pregnant themselves. It's very common to feel like it's unbelievable that a whole entire baby can come out of a vagina- how on earth would that even work? Doesn't feel realistic, does it?

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What about doctors not being comfortable with participating in scenarios they feel are too risky?

The idea that pregnant people should have doctors or midwives supporting them in whatever choice they make for the birth- I'm wondering about the details for how that would work. 

For example, suppose an unborn baby is in the breech position (ie, the baby's head is not pointing down). Now, this would make vaginal birth more risky- and as far as I know, most doctors would be unwilling to try for a vaginal birth in this case. They would say you have to have a C-section. But if the pregnant person wants to have a vaginal birth- well, what should happen? Doctors refuse to try for a vaginal birth not because they are being mean and not supporting women, but because they know that vaginal breech birth is more difficult and risky, and they feel that they don't have enough experience and knowledge about this specific situation to be confident that they would do a good job. Seriously, if you're pregnant and your baby is breech and you want to have a vaginal birth, I don't think you should try to talk *your* doctor into it, I think you should *find* a doctor who is experienced and confident with vaginal breech births.

I wonder about this... and the book didn't talk about it, so I don't really know whether my speculation matches reality or not, but, don't you think it would be traumatic for a doctor, if the patient insists on something the doctor believes is a serious risk to the baby's life- how can you force the doctor to participate in that? I mean, I guess to some extent that *is* their job, they can give recommendations but at the end of the day they provide the medical service that the patient chooses, not necessarily the one that the doctor thinks is best. But for something like vaginal breech birth, I wonder if doctors feel they don't have the training to do a good job with it- and the pregnant person and baby deserve to have a doctor who is trained enough to do a good job.

So it can't be like, you force doctors to participate in something they think is a bad idea. It should be like, even if most doctors don't want to be involved, there at least exists *somebody* who says "yes, I will support the patient in this" and society should allow pregnant people to use their services. (The book had examples of midwife organizations being shut down for shaky reasons- so, don't do that, allow the midwives to continue doing their work.)

But wait, what if that "somebody"- who says yes to whatever choice a pregnant person makes- is a quack? Shouldn't society require some kind of certification for these people? You can't let quacks and "influencers" give pregnant people misinformation about how this or that serious pregnancy complication is not actually a problem and you just have to trust in your feminine energy or whatever.

I agree with the idea that pregnant people should be supported along the whole entire spectrum of choices- but how can you make sure it's really an informed choice? Like, yes, if you want to have a home birth, or other things I personally think are a bad idea, because you are well-informed about it and you know what you're doing, I totally support that. But if you want to have a home birth because somebody in a facebook group said that pregnancy and childbirth carry no risks at all, well, yikes.

Like, how would this 'making sure all pregnant people's choices are supported' work? Who do you give midwife certification to? There has to be some kind of vetting. And I think the answer is, the standards for midwife certification should be created by experienced midwives who know what's what. So it's not that 'it's impossible to draw a line, so don't even try'- it should be that a line is drawn by people who know what they're doing.

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This is a feminist issue- but it's difficult

The book emphasizes that this is a feminist issue. Yes! I agree! Birth trauma is a feminist issue, and we should talk about it more. On pages 88-89, Hill speculates that maybe this is difficult to talk about because people who have bad experiences during birth tell themselves that there were reasons that it had to be that way- and to find out that actually it didn't have to be that way, and they deserved better, can be traumatic:

To say that we are not powerless in birth can be extremely triggering for those women who feel that they absolutely were, and this alone could explain the lack of feminist attention to the birth experience. Such a large percentage of women have had utterly dreadful birth experiences in the past few decades, and they're been given these experiences in a well-rehearsed cultural package bound up neatly with the ribbon of unwavering faith in medical science to rescue them from their inadequate bodies. And the bow on top is the repeated mantra that a healthy baby is all that matters, setting them up for a lifetime of reluctance to question whether their experience could have been less traumatic, could have been different, could even have been glorious.

Anyone who talks about birth in positive terms, therefore, can face a huge backlash, which often seems to me to come from a very hurt place, a wound in women that is often both personal and cultural. I felt the pain of it myself, when, after my first hospital forceps birth, a friend, who had been pregnant at the same time, had the easy home birth that I had been hoping for. I can still remember where I was when I heard the news, and it floored me. I felt gutted - and yes I know that some people will try to tell me that this was simply because I had been set up to view one kind of birth as somehow 'better' than the other, that I felt I had failed the test somehow, and my home birth friend had passed it. But I was not gutted because I had had my silly head filled with unrealistic ideas of the perfect birth - far from it. I was gutted because I was traumatised. I hated to think about her birth because it brought up so many 'what if' questions about mine. I was so deeply wounded by my own birth that it was almost unbearable to think that it could have been different for me.

But also, to me it feels sort of more difficult and complicated than other issues. Because, doesn't it feel like there is an argument to be made that pregnant people *shouldn't* be allowed to do things which put their unborn baby in serious danger?

Or, to put it another way, as far as reasons go for restricting women's choices/ telling them what they're "allowed" to do with their own bodies, saving a baby's life seems like a really good reason. Childbirth truly is risky. Before the era of modern medicine, people were dying in childbirth all the time.

But, maybe every feminist issue used to feel complicated. Maybe people used to feel like "well there are plenty of good reasons for not letting women [vote/ have a bank account/ get divorced/ etc]," and now that feminists have been talking about these issues for so long, they no longer feel "complicated." They feel obvious.

The book said that there's a big connection between "pro-life" ideology and controlling women's choices during childbirth. I feel like, superficially this seems surprising- isn't "pro-life" about wanting to have a baby, and "pro-choice" is about wanting to kill one's unborn baby- and so women who are giving birth are on the "wanting to have a baby" side of that, ie, the "pro-life" side. That's how I would have thought about it, years ago when I was evangelical and "pro-life."

But the way I see it now is more like this: "Pro-choice" is about supporting people's choices related to their own health and their own bodies. If they want to be pregnant, we support that, and if they want to have an abortion, we support that. But "pro-life" is based on the idea that women can't be trusted to make their own choices, so we need the government to make laws to force them.

Page 36 says:

Some may feel that a pregnant woman should not have the right to make a decision that puts her baby 'at risk', but, unfortunately, as unpleasant as it may sound, the unborn child can never and should never be considered to have any rights - and as soon as we put so much as a toe in this water, we begin to stray into a place in which a woman can be taken from her house by the police and compelled to undergo major surgery against her wishes. [Earlier in this chapter, there was an account of a Brazilian woman who was taken by police and given a C-section because of a court order.] There is a creeping nature to such a mindset - once we begin to make provision for the occasions when doctors or the state may overrule a pregnant woman with full mental capacity, we are on a very slippery slope indeed. Instead, the point needs to be made clear, often over and over again, that we have to trust women to be the ultimate decision maker in birth, no matter what.

I think... I think it's difficult, and this is something you should really think through rather than just agreeing with it because it's the "pro-choice" or "feminist" opinion on it. But basically yeah I do agree with what the book is saying there. It has to be the pregnant person who is making the decisions. 

Even though pregnant people might sometimes do a bad job of making decisions, there's nobody else you could pick who would do better. Sure, we can think of hypotheticals where a pregnant person decides to do something which is a really bad idea, and they or their baby might die as a result- but there are also plenty of cases where the government makes bad decisions for pregnant people- and that would happen far more frequently.

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It's such a scam that they've got us believing women are weaker

Can I just say, it's such a scam that society has us believing that women are weaker than men. Seriously! Women/ people with a uterus are the ones who make new people. We create life! And we have to deal with menstruation, pregnancy, and childbirth. Even a healthy pregnancy is extremely difficult, very hard to go through. Cis men don't have any kind of equivalent difficulty that their bodies go through. If cis men are healthy, their reproductive organs never give them any trouble. IMAGINE. Blew my mind when I realized that. Can you believe patriarchy has really tricked us into thinking women are weaker than men?

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It's hard for me to get my head around the idea that these unpleasant but normal medical procedures violate patients' rights

When you are in labor, you might have all manner of people sticking their fingers in your vagina to check how dilated your cervix is. (This is called a vaginal exam.) *I* personally did not have "all manner of people", just 1 doctor, but yeah it is common that women report having all manner of people sticking their fingers in the woman's vagina.

Here's the purpose of the vaginal exam: During the process of labor, the cervix opens in order to let the baby come out. This could take hours and hours. Doctors feel that it's useful to do a vaginal exam to check how far the cervix has opened- this gives you a sense of how far along you are in the process. But it's not *necessary* to do it. You could just labor without knowing how dilated your cervix is, and then when you have a feeling like you want to push the baby out, that's how you know it's time to push the baby out. (Note that when the pregnant person has an epidural, they might not be able to feel this feeling of knowing it's time to push.)

So the vaginal exams are not medically necessary. But patients often like to know their progress, so they want to do them. But some patients do not want to do vaginal exams- and they should absolutely be allowed to say no. It's your vagina! You're not *required* to let people stick their fingers in there, wtf.

Page 38-39 says:

The interesting thing about VEs is that they are completely optional - but not a lot of people know this. You would think it would be obvious - of course nobody can put their fingers inside your vagina if you don't want them to, right? But the majority of women are unaware that they are perfectly entitled to decline. Furthermore, some women report a nagging sense that they are entitled to decline, but are unable to voice their refusal, whereas others do manage to decline but are then either directly or indirectly coerced, for example by being told they cannot be admitted to the ward or use the birth pool unless they comply, or by simply being told they 'have to' - which is of course incorrect, as you don't 'have to' allow anything to happen to your body against your wishes. Still others consent to the VE but are told afterwards that their midwife or doctor gave them a 'sweep' or broke their waters 'while they were in there'. Women to whom this happens report finding it extremely violating and yet rarely complain formally about it, perhaps because there is a widespread and unspoken acceptance that maternity care requires you to 'leave your dignity at the door' and can at times be violating by its very nature.

And I also want to put a few quotes here about doctors respecting patients and how that can come across as unusual. From page 276-277:

What is also at risk of happening is women who, for whatever reason, can no longer have the straightforward birth they really wanted, feeling like they no longer have any rights or choices. As some put it, 'the birth plan went out the window'. On the contrary, when those situations that truly do require medical help arise, respectful care means continuing to keep women and their feelings at the heart of every action. Nothing illustrates this better than the many examples of clinicians trying to raise levels of empathy in highly medicalised settings. In Nottingham, obstetrician Andy Sim has been one of the pioneers of 'woman-centered caesarean,' which shifts the focus of surgical birth away from clinicians 'doing their job' and towards the woman as the pivotal character in the drama. ... One of Andy's 'small' changes - which of course any woman may ask to be part of her caesarean - is that, while the catheter is being inserted, theatre staff who are not needed for that procedure go and stand at the woman's head. When I've told people about this option, many will look a bit baffled and ask - why? Perhaps their first assumption is that there is a complex medical reason for the doctor's actions, but in fact the answer is simple - it's entirely about the woman's dignity. This seemingly small act of kindness says: 'We, the medical team, are thinking about what this is like for you, the person giving birth.' It's a sudden flash of empathy for how a woman, on the threshold of becoming a mother, may feel at that moment as an area of her body that is usually kept private is exposed. And it's an acknowledgement that in birth, everything is remembered, and everything 'matters'. Perhaps people are initially baffled by this because we're simply not used to the concept of building the activity in the birth room around the needs of the woman.

And this one from page 267:

As Hermine Hayes-Klein put it to me: 'How much would it change in the birth room if everybody in that room really understood that the woman could not be touched without her permission - this would be transformative. And the fact that it would be transformative tells you everything you need to know about how informed consent is routinely ignored in current maternity care systems.'

Yeah... I feel like, for me, it's hard to get my head around the idea that... like... it is right to limit how much medical staff look at patients' "private parts" and/or touch patients in intimate, invasive ways. Because, isn't that how it always is with doctors? Like, of course I don't want strangers looking at me or touching me like that- but if it's a doctor, then you have to, that's just how it is with doctors. 

I don't really know how to put my thoughts into words on this... I really like what these sections of the book were saying, but I just can't see how to fit in into my understanding of what medical care even is.

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I pay the big bucks for the international hospital

In China, I always go to international hospitals for my medical care, because they have standards for bedside manner, patient privacy, etc, which match what I'm used to from the US. I have had bad experiences in Chinese hospitals. Chinese hospitals are very good at giving you the medical treatment you need, but don't do anything about caring for your emotions surrounding it.

This was especially important to me when I was pregnant, because I've heard things about Chinese hospitals- like they will push you into having a C-section if they think you're taking too long, male partners aren't allowed in the labor rooms, you get treated as just an object in a system instead of a person- that kind of stuff. (In some cases, the reason they don't allow your partner to come to the labor room is that it's not just you- there will be other women also laboring in the same room. You don't want *other people's* male partners in the labor room with you. In some cases, though, it's a private room, and I have no idea what the justification is there.) 

These things won't be true of all Chinese hospitals- there is a huge range. (And there are public hospitals, private hospitals, international hospitals, VIP departments in public hospitals- all of which will give you a different kind of experience.) And sure, plenty of people report having good experiences at Chinese public hospitals too. 

Anyway MY POINT IS, I pay the big bucks to go to the international hospital. 

Yes, it is much more expensive. Not everyone has access to that kind of medical care. And that's the problem.

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This book is not trans-inclusive

I have to put a warning here, for readers who are trans/nonbinary/queer, that the language used in this book is not inclusive of trans people. The book constantly refers to people who give birth as women, constantly talks about how this is a women's issue, etc- and yes, that is true, this is a women's issue- but *not* all people who give birth are women. Trans and nonbinary people exist. I think it's better to use language like "women and/or people who give birth" but this book doesn't do that, it's always just "women."

... Oh, oh dear, I just did a little googling and found the author's substack and it's, ahem, not really trans-friendly. Oh wow, I'm actually really shocked to see that- because trans rights are all about trans people being allowed to make their own decisions about their medical care, rather than having the government/ gatekeepers/ conservative politicians/ etc decide what kind of medical care they're "allowed" to have. And isn't that the exact same thing that "Give Birth Like a Feminist" is about?

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Conclusion

The topic of what consent should look like in a medical context is extremely important to me. And giving birth is one area where a lot of people have trauma due to disrespect and lack of consent. The message of "Give Birth Like a Feminist" is that women deserve better than that. Yes! You have choices! It's your body! But society and the medical system treat women like they are being unreasonable for "getting their hopes up" and expecting that their choices will be respected during childbirth. This definitely is a feminist issue that we should be talking about.

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Related:

A Comprehensive Pro-Choice Ethic

"Expecting Better": Asking the Right Questions About Pregnancy 

I Had Pre-Eclampsia

"Queer Conception" (book review) 

So I Got the Epidural

"Afraid of the Doctor" (I read this book because I have medical trauma)

I Don't Want My Baby To Be "Brave"

Doctors (part 3 of Autism & Teaching Kids to Protect Themselves)


Friday, May 23, 2025

Blogaround

Links not related to the antichrist:

1. Doctors urged to treat pain for IUD insertion and other procedures (May 20) Hey, this is great. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists is now saying that doctors need to inform patients about the possible pain of procedures like IUD insertion, and give patients options about anesthesia/ pain management. I'm all for that. Informed consent in a medical setting.

2. The Chicago Sun-Times Published an AI-Generated Summer Reading List Full of Fake Books — And This is Just the Beginning (May 20) "Let's connect the dots here. Media company cuts 20% of its staff, including experienced editors. Two months later, AI-generated nonsense makes it into print without anyone catching it. Are we really surprised?"

3. Gatsby’s Secret (April 7, via) "The more Thompson read, the more convinced he became that Gatsby was about a man “passing” for white."

4. Supreme Court sidesteps religious charter school question for now on 4-4 deadlock (May 22) "No religious charter schools. For now."

5. No more pennies: In big change, Treasury will stop minting them (May 22) "The Treasury Department has placed its last order for blank pennies and plans to stop minting the one-cent coins as soon as that's exhausted."

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Political cartoon that shows the White House (with a flag that says "King Donald") with a sign out front that says "Please wipe your feet!" pointing to the Constitution laying on the ground. Image source.

Links related to the antichrist:

We've got a lot of links today. If it's too stressful, you don't have to read all of them, but here is an important action item: Contact your senators and tell them to vote no on the Republican budget bill.

1. Supreme Court says Trump can strip protected status for Venezuelans for now (May 19) "'From what we can tell, this is the single largest action in modern American history, stripping any group of non-citizens of immigration status,' Ahilan Arulanantham, the co-director for Center for Immigration Law and Policy at UCLA, and one of the lawyers representing the Venezuelans, told reporters Monday."

2. DHS secretary misstates meaning of habeas corpus under Senate scrutiny (May 20) "Responding, Senator Hassan corrected the secretary, stating, 'Habeas corpus is the foundational right that separates free societies like America from police states like North Korea.'"

3. Judge says Trump administration violated court order on third-country deportations (May 21) "'No meaningful opportunity at all was provided to him to express a fear of being sent to South Sudan,' Ryan said."

And an update on that: White House agrees to keep migrants in Djibouti for now, blasts federal judge's ruling (May 22)

In this specific case, the immigrants being deported actually have committed serious crimes. I think people have a tendency to think "well why does it matter if they're sent to some random other country, since they are violent criminals?" No, not cool- if people commit crimes, you sentence them according to what the law says. We have laws for this! The government can't just make up whatever punishment they want.

4. Charges against Rep. LaMonica McIver spark backlash after incident with ICE agents (May 21) "'This administration will never stop me from working for the people in our district and standing up for what is right. I am thankful for the outpouring of support I have received and I look forward to the truth being laid out clearly in court,' she added."

5. U.S. sends 68 migrants back to Honduras and Colombia in first voluntary deportation (May 20) 

6. These students protested the Gaza war. Trump's deportation threat didn't silence them (May 21) "'All of us international students, we had this thought of, 'what if it was me?'' she said of her reaction to the first few students that ICE agents arrested. 'Students that were higher risk, they all started to talk to their lawyers and make arrangements for if that were to happen.'"

7. Alliance Defending Freedom Sues Minnesota To Mandate Trans Discrimination (May 22) "While the immediate impact would be limited to Minnesota, an appeal could escalate the case to higher courts—and if the Supreme Court takes it up, this fringe legal theory could become the basis for mandating anti-trans discrimination in schools nationwide, from bathroom bans to sports bans and more."

8. These Are Not My Thoughts On Banning GAC (May 22) [content note: violence against intersex children] "So when the GOP includes intersex exceptions to genital reconstruction laws that ban gender affirming care for trans kids, This is what they’re preserving. Not care. Not concern. Not empathy. They are preserving the right of parents to rip apart children’s bodies with pliers, and the right of doctors to support them in their demented, evil efforts."

9. Trump administration revokes Harvard's ability to enroll international students (May 22) Holy crap. 

10. Lawsuit challenges USDA demand for food stamp data as some states prepare to comply (May 22) "'If you're trying to design a public benefits program that supports the most vulnerable people and makes sure that nobody in our country goes hungry, this is obviously not the way to do it,' said Ami Fields-Meyer, a senior fellow at the Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation at Harvard University specializing in the intersection between civil liberties and technology, and a former senior policy adviser to Vice President Kamala Harris. 'But if you're trying to integrate critical assistance into a machinery for hunting immigrants and breaking up families and deporting people without due process — this is exactly how you do it.'"

11. Educators fear their homeless students could become a target for Trump cuts (May 22) "Amid all the moves, one thing has been constant for Dayana: her school. That's because a federal law, known as the McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Act, allows students like her to stay in their school even when their housing takes them far from where they originally enrolled."

Sunday, March 16, 2025

Why do we only talk about transvaginal ultrasounds when we talk about abortion?

Transvaginal ultrasound wand. Image source.

One strategy that "pro-life" lawmakers use, to make it more difficult to get an abortion, is to require that patients get a transvaginal ultrasound before they can get an abortion. For example: Wyoming governor vetoes 'invasive' transvaginal ultrasound mandate for medical abortions (the veto was then overridden).

People who speak out against these laws say that transvaginal ultrasounds can be invasive and traumatizing, especially for victims of rape. There's this paper from 2013 which includes quotes that say requiring patients to have a transvaginal ultrasound is rape.

Here's what I want to know, as a woman who used to have vaginismus and has had bad experiences with transvaginal ultrasounds because of it: Why is this the only time I'm seeing people concerned about the potential trauma of transvaginal ultrasounds? Why have I been subjected to transvaginal ultrasounds, without anybody making sure I understood what it was and that I consented to it, and I was just expected to be fine with it- but then suddenly when there's a "pro-life" law about it, people come out of the woodwork exclaiming that we can't do this because transvaginal ultrasounds are potentially such a terrible thing?

Why is it only here, in the context of talking about abortion, that people understand that it's valid to have trauma about this?

I mean, I know why. It's because these "pro-life" laws are about making transvaginal ultrasounds actually legally required, whereas in my case, I wasn't required by law to do anything. My situation was more about lack of sex ed, and about medical staff not prioritizing the idea of informed consent. I didn't need anybody to go ask congress members to change a law- I needed to know how to speak up for myself. So, I think the pro-choice people who speak out the loudest against these "requiring abortion patients to have a transvaginal ultrasound" laws would also strongly advocate for all patients to be fully informed about what's going on, and have the option to say no, when they're told they need a transvaginal ultrasound (in all situations, not just when it's related to abortion). But the average pro-choice person, who is repeating this talking point "oh no, we can't require transvaginal ultrasounds because that's traumatizing for rape victims"- well, it feels kinda fake to me. If the average pro-choice person really felt that way, I think people would have cared more about my problems with vaginismus.

Let me give you some background info about transvaginal ultrasounds: 

There are 2 different kinds of ultrasounds performed during pregnancy: transvaginal and transabdominal. Most people have seen images of pregnant women getting transabdominal ultrasounds- this is the kind where you have a huge baby bump, and the doctor moves the ultrasound tool around on your belly to see what the baby looks like in there. But, in early pregnancy, the unborn baby is so small that you won't be able to find it with a transabdominal ultrasound. In early pregnancy (maybe around 6-8 weeks), you need to have a transvaginal ultrasound instead. 

In a transvaginal ultrasound, the doctor uses a long ultrasound wand, puts a condom and lube on it, and it is inserted in the vagina. In this way, they are able to see if the embryo has implanted in the uterus correctly, and they can measure the size. They also look at the ovaries and they tell you which ovary the egg came out of, though I remember being a bit confused about what I was meant to do with that information, when I was pregnant.

Yeah, if we're not talking about abortion, if we're talking about people who want to continue their pregnancy, a transvaginal ultrasound is basically required. It's not required in the sense of being required by law, like those "pro-life" laws, but doctors will tell you it's medically necessary. And, yeah, there are important medical reasons why they need to do it:

  • Check if the embryo is implanted in the uterus- this is important, because in some rare cases it implants somewhere else- this is an ectopic pregnancy and is life-threatening for the pregnant person.
  • Measure the size of the embryo- this is important for dating the pregnancy and calculating the due date.
  • You can see the baby's heartbeat. I know, I know, the fact that there's a "heartbeat" at 6 weeks has been massively politicized by the "pro-life" movement, and then the pro-choice side pushes back and says it's not really a heartbeat because the heart hasn't developed yet at that point, etc... so I don't really know how to talk about this... But my experience was, in the early stages of pregnancy I was so worried about everything. I really wanted a baby, and I had gotten a positive pregnancy test, but I knew there is a pretty high rate of miscarriage in those early stages- and seeing the ultrasound, seeing that little white blob with a little heartbeat, it made it feel real. (And I'm sure this is the reason why "pro-life" people want to require ultrasounds.) It made me feel less worried.

I've heard that sometimes it's medically necessary for abortion patients to have a transvaginal ultrasound, and sometimes it's not. I bet for people who want to continue their pregnancy, it's even more medically necessary, and therefore we should be even more thoughtful about how to balance the concerns of people who have trauma related to vaginal penetration, vs the benefits to the pregnant person's health and the baby's health.

(To be clear: For most people, a transvaginal ultrasound is NOT painful or traumatic. But if vaginal penetration *in general* is painful or traumatic for you, then yes, a transvaginal ultrasound will be like that too.)

If you really really can't tolerate a transvaginal ultrasound, and you have a doctor who says it's required and isn't willing to be reasonable and work with you on it, then I think you just have to completely refuse, then come back a month later when the unborn baby is big enough that they can do a transabdominal ultrasound instead. (If you're keeping the pregnancy, you have this option, whereas if you need an abortion and you're in a state that passed one of these invasive laws, well, this won't help.) But, if you do go without the transvaginal ultrasound and wait a month, you're running the risk that it might be an ectopic pregnancy and you wouldn't know it. It's a pretty small risk- and before ultrasounds were invented, every pregnant person had that risk- but yeah, it's not ideal to skip the early-pregnancy transvaginal ultrasound.

Best-case scenario is, you can talk to your doctor about your concerns with vaginal penetration, and work together to figure out a way to do the transvaginal ultrasound. One important thing I would recommend is self-insertion- ie, the patient inserts the ultrasound tool into their own vagina, rather than letting the doctor insert it. And then once it's in, and the patient consents, then the doctor can move it around to get the ultrasound images they need.

Seriously, self-insertion is incredibly important. I would advise anyone who has vaginismus to absolutely refuse, if a doctor says you can't insert it yourself and they have to do it. There is no reason why you, the actual person whose vagina it is, can't be the one to stick things in there. I can't believe I used to let doctors do that to me. Sure, you don't know how to move it around to get the right images, but if you have vaginismus, the doctor likely doesn't know how to insert it without hurting you.

Maybe it's easier to take a stand against these "pro-life" laws because there's an easy fix there. Just don't make a law requiring medically-unnecessary ultrasounds. But what if someone *does* need a transvaginal ultrasound- like a pregnant person who is *not* getting an abortion- and they have problems with vaginal penetration, maybe because of vaginismus or maybe because they are a victim of rape or abuse. What then? See, then it's more complicated. Then it's about sex ed and consent within a medical context, training doctors to be understanding about those kinds of issues, training patients that it's right to stand up for themselves.

I mean, forgive me if I find this sudden concern for people who can't tolerate transvaginal ultrasounds a bit fake. When I was pregnant, and I read all about pregnancy, I never came across anything giving advice on what to do at the early pregnancy ultrasound if vaginal penetration is difficult. Never. (I bet if you used the keyword "vaginismus" when searching, you could probably find useful information- but if you don't know that word, LOL GOOD LUCK.) And now it's a political talking point that, oh no, transvaginal ultrasounds are BAD and TRAUMATIC for rape victims who want an abortion. Okay, where was all this outrage when I was having my own problems with transvaginal ultrasounds?

Well... I know it's because what I'm asking for is more complicated. Everybody can understand that it's a bad idea to make a law requiring unnecessary medical procedures, just to inconvenience people who want to get abortions. Everyone can see the obvious solution: just don't make laws like that. But in a situation where a transvaginal ultrasound is medically necessary, and the patient finds it difficult or painful, well, what then? That's a harder problem. The people who oppose these "pro-life" laws probably also want everyone to have good sex ed, and doctors to care about informed consent- but how do you actually go about pushing for those cultural changes?

Maybe I'm being a little too harsh here, and instead I should say that opposing these "pro-life" laws is a good first step. We should take a stand against laws which require medically-unnecessary ultrasounds, and at the same time, we should take a stand for better sex ed and better training about consent for doctors.

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Related:

Sea Monsters on Land, and My Life With Vaginismus 

A Comprehensive Pro-Choice Ethic

On Gynecologists and Angry Turtles 

Don't You Think If It Was Possible To Re-Implant Ectopic Pregnancies, We Would Already Be Doing That?

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Saturday, November 30, 2024

A Comprehensive Pro-Choice Ethic

A protester holding a sign that says, "Health care is a human right." Image source.

Occasionally I see "pro-life" people advocating for the idea of a comprehensive pro-life ethic. Typically when people use the term "pro-life", it means "abortion should be illegal" and that's it. But, those who have a comprehensive pro-life ethic say that's not good enough. Pro-life can't just mean you care about protecting an unborn baby's life, but the moment they're born, you don't care any more. People who are truly pro-life are anti-war. They oppose the death penalty. They want gun control. They support universal health care.

I like that. If you're gonna be pro-life, be that kind of pro-life person. Provided, of course, that you recognize that abortion may be necessary to save a pregnant person's life. The most obvious cases are where the pregnancy is causing a life-threatening medical problem- but abortion may save someone's life in a less direct way than that. Domestic violence victims are more at risk of being murdered by their abuser if they are pregnant. 

Usually I put "pro-life" in scare quotes because it's not about life at all, it's just about banning abortion. But hey, if you really do have a comprehensive pro-life ethic, I won't even put it in scare quotes. You really are pro-life. 

I'm thinking about how to conceptualize something similar for pro-choice ideology.

I always felt like the pro-choice movement wasn't really *for* me, because I have kids and I'm happy being a mom. Sure, I can help out the movement by talking about how my experience of pregnancy was so bad, and no one should have to go through that if they don't want to- but it's not *for* me. It's for women who want to have sex but not have babies. Right?

(Note, though, that a high percentage of people who have abortions already have kids. [This data from 2019 says it's 60%.] The stereotype of the slut who just wants to have sex with whoever, and hates children, is not at all representative of who is actually getting abortions.)

Anyway, when I watched the video from the Democratic National Convention this year, and saw Kate Cox there representing Texas, along with Cecile Richards, former president of Planned Parenthood, that really affected me. 

(If you haven't heard about Kate Cox, here's her story: She was pregnant, and then found out her unborn baby had a health problem and would not survive, and that for the sake of her own health and her ability to have another pregnancy in the future, it would be best for her to have an abortion. But she lived in Texas, and it was a whole ordeal which was in the news, about whether of not the state of Texas would let her have an abortion. Eventually she went to a different state and had an abortion. This situation was very shocking because of how clear-cut it seemed to be- Cox was basically a "perfect victim"- she's white, married, she's already a mom, and it was a wanted pregnancy. And there was no way her unborn baby would be able to survive. And still, Republican politicians in Texas did not allow it.)

The video from the Democratic National Convention serves as an update on what happened to Kate Cox after that. She got pregnant again, and fortunately, this pregnancy has not had any massive problems like that, and she's looking forward to a healthy baby who will be born in January. And everyone cheered. Everyone is happy for her. The former president of Planned Parenthood is happy for her. (Here's a link to the video- but I'll warn you it's sad to watch because everyone is talking about Kamala Harris being president, but that is not gonna happen.)

Seeing that video, I was struck with this thought, "what if the pro-choice movement really is about choice?" Here's someone who wants to be pregnant, wants to have a baby, and she gets pregnant and decides NOT to have an abortion, and as pro-choice people we celebrate that. In Cox's case, actually, she wanted to have another child, and an abortion was a necessary step on the way to reach that goal- because the complications in her pregnancy meant that there was a risk she would be infertile. She wanted to have another baby, and having an abortion was a means to get there. 

Maybe that's what it's about. 

In the "pro-life" movement, they talk about pro-choice people as if pro-choice people just really love killing babies, and twirling our mustaches evilly or something. But what if the pro-choice movement is actually like this: It's not about celebrating abortion as a good thing in and of itself. (Actually, in an ideal world, nobody would be in a situation where they need an abortion.) It's about being able to choose the life you want for yourself, and sometimes abortion is needed in order to get there. 

So we want to protect people's right to have an abortion, if they want to. And in the same way, we want people to be able to have babies, if they want to.

If we want to be comprehensively pro-choice, that requires a whole lot more than just "abortion is legal."

What if someone wants to have a baby, but for various practical reasons they feel like it's not really possible, and their only real option is to have an abortion? This is not okay. To be truly pro-choice, we need to address the problems that restrict people's choices in this area. It is very expensive to pay for prenatal care and hospital bills for childbirth- being truly pro-choice means supporting universal health care. It means society needs to implement policies that will help people get out of poverty- everything about kids is expensive, and that's one of the big reasons people have abortions.

And remember earlier I mentioned that victims of domestic violence are more likely to be murdered if they are pregnant? If we say "okay, then they can get an abortion, for their own safety", that is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. No one should be in a situation where they have to choose between their pregnancy and their safety; that's terrible. What changes does society need to make to keep people safe from abuse? We need to advocate for all those things, in order to be truly pro-choice.

But let's take it farther than that.

I always hear politicians saying "women can make their own choices about their bodies." This is nothing more than a euphemism for "abortion is legal" (or, possibly, "abortion is legal and accessible"). I don't like that. I want to live in a world where "women can make their own choices about their bodies" means exactly that.

Certainly that includes abortion access, but it includes so much more than that.

Let's start with giving birth. Giving birth is scary, and some people have traumatic experiences, or problems come up- and I sometimes hear moms reassuring each other by saying "the only thing that matters is that the baby is born healthy." 

I disagree with this.

If you have a traumatic birth experience because the medical staff don't respect your right to make informed decisions about your own body, that is not okay. That matters. If people tell you that your trauma doesn't matter because your baby turned out fine, they're wrong.

For example: if people are pressuring you to get an epidural during childbirth, or to not get an epidural, that's NOT COOL. It should be your decision.

I've heard about hospitals which recommend C-sections to birthing women at a higher rate than is necessary, because that's what's more convenient for the hospital. (This is an issue in China- I don't know about in the US.) For a C-section, the hospital can control the timing and the entire process. When there are lots of women giving birth there, it's hard to allocate rooms for all of them, and you don't know how long it will take to have a natural labor and vaginal birth- it's easier to just do C-sections. 

But a C-section is a major surgery; you shouldn't do that unless there's a good reason. 

Another example about giving birth: VBAC. (Vaginal birth after C-section.) This means that in a previous pregnancy, the person gave birth via C-section, and now in their current pregnancy they would like to try to give birth vaginally. Vaginal birth is better in terms of the recovery process for the birthing person- but VBAC is riskier than a vaginal birth in someone who doesn't have a C-section scar. The scar might rupture during labor. You need to be aware of the risks of trying this. You need a doctor with experience. 

All of this should be included in what people mean when they talk about "women can make decisions about their own bodies."

And so many other aspects of pregnancy. When you're pregnant, you always get random people trying to police what you eat, or telling you you're gaining too much weight... Emily Oster's book "Expecting Better" (which I reviewed here) was all about giving pregnant people the data they need to make choices during pregnancy, because typically that data isn't really available. It's about making choices during pregnancy, but I'm not talking about abortion. Even though this is for people who are NOT having abortions, it's an important pro-choice area.

And let's talk about breastfeeding and "making choices about your own body." Many people are pressured to breastfeed, or pressured to not breastfeed, or shamed and treated like they're a "bad mom" because of whether or not they breastfeed. Not cool. First of all, don't judge people for this. But, more important than that is people need to have the resources and support they need if they want to breastfeed. You need information about what to do- it's not straightforward. Maybe you need a lactation consultant who can give you hands-on instruction. If you have a full-time job and you want to pump milk, you have to buy a pump, and you need your boss to give you break time during the day, and a private room where you can pump.

Breastfeeding isn't something you can just do all in your own power- you need to be in an environment that has the necessary resources and support.

Okay, let's expand this pro-choice ethic to other areas of women's health care.

I've heard some women talk about being prescribed birth control when they were teenagers, because of acne or some other problem like that- not because they were having sex. And, looking back on it, they are unhappy about how they had to deal with a lot of bad side effects from the birth control hormones, and they feel like they didn't really have a choice. It was just "well we tried various things and they didn't solve your acne problem, so the next step is to take birth control" and that's that, and as a teenager they didn't have a real choice.

I've also heard that it's very painful to get an IUD inserted, and it's common that doctors don't inform patients about the pain, or offer any anesthesia or pain medication. Not cool. Are the people who talk about "women have the right to make choices about their own bodies" going to do something about this?

Or the many other scenarios where women's medical issues are not taken seriously by doctors. Being comprehensively pro-choice means having a society where women really are given the support and resources and information they need to make medical decisions for themselves.

But actually, this shouldn't just be about women, and/or people who can get pregnant. Everyone, of any gender, should have the freedom, information, and resources to make medical decisions for themselves.

This is something I've blogged about before, in the context of the question "what should consent look like for children in a medical setting?" I'm very interested in the concept of consent as it relates to health care.

You may have noticed that this "comprehensive pro-choice ethic" is in no way the opposite of a "comprehensive pro-life ethic." There's a huge amount of overlap. Many policies, such as universal health care, very obviously belong in both. People who are truly pro-life and people who are truly pro-choice should all advocate for universal health care. I mean, I don't want to spin this as "we have so much in common so let's just forget about abortion and focus on those other things instead"- I do think abortion access is very important. But being pro-choice shouldn't only be about abortion. It should be about "the right to make choices about your own body" in all health care areas.

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This post is part of the October/November 2024 Carnival of Aces. The topic is "sexual healthcare."

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Related:

What Pregnancy Taught Me About Being Pro-Choice 

"Expecting Better": Asking the Right Questions About Pregnancy 

Don't You Think If It Was Possible To Re-Implant Ectopic Pregnancies, We Would Already Be Doing That?

"Life's Work" (read this book and become even more pro-choice) 

Why I Am Pro-Choice 

On Gynecologists and Angry Turtles 

Boundaries With Dentists

Doctors (part 3 of Autism & Teaching Kids to Protect Themselves)

"Afraid of the Doctor" (I read this book because I have medical trauma) 

I Don't Want My Baby To Be "Brave"

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