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| Kids' craft featuring a whale made out of a paper plate, with Jonah stuck to its tongue. Image source. |
[spoiler warning for the biblical story of Jonah]
The other day, my son asked me to tell him a story, so I told him the story of Jonah, and right in the middle of it, I realized "this is clearly not a true story." And no, it wasn't the part about the whale that tipped me off.
TODAY IS THE DAY I watch VeggieTales "Jonah" (2002). A whole full-length movie. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Dor8Wa_GY …—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
We start with a van full of kids singing #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"He needed first aid, in the first grade—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
*clap*
first aid, in the first grade
*clap*
#PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Bob is driving. Dad Asparagus in passenger seat. Kids in the back: Junior, Laura, a pea, and that celery girl we met in "The Toy that Saved Christmas" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
they are singing Twippo songs. They are on their way to the Twippo concert. Laura is bragging that she's the only one who gets to meet Twippo bc she won the contest #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
oh no, in a cascade of failure, Laura's ticket goes out the window, a guitar pulls the steering wheel off, van hits a porcupine, they careen down a steep hill ... #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Their van crashed. & Bob got hit by a porcupine quill #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
They see a restaurant called "Seafoo."—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"Maybe it's like tofu."
"Only saltier!"
#PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Everybody is angry. Bob says it's Dad Asparagus's fault that they crashed. All the kids are like "we're gonna miss the concert!" Laura is sad she lost her ticket. Junior says it's her own fault for waving it in his face. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
2 French peas work at this seafood restaurant #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
oooooh i hear the "Pirates Who Don't Do Anything" song #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Bob says maybe they can still make it to the concert. Laura says "everyone but me" bc she lost her ticket. Junior says "you're just getting what you deserve" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Junior meets the Pirates Who Don't Do Anything—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"Nothing."
"Zilch."
"Nada." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales pic.twitter.com/Y7ozDnuc8s
The 3 pirates say they notice Junior was having a fight w Laura. They want to tell him a story to teach him compassion. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"We call ourselves the pirates who don't do anything, but that's not entirely accurate."—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"Remember when we did that one thing, with that one guy?" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
So here's the beginning of the pirate story #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"We were short on cash. It seems not doing anything didn't pay very well." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
We see 2 Ninevite peas laughing & hitting each other w fish #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah (Archibald Asparagus) shows up. He is a prophet. Like a mailman but his messages are from God. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah sings the song "A Messsage From the Lord." It's a message of encouragement. Keep following God's commands. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Some of these commands are like "be kind" & some are like "don't eat pigs, wear 4 tassals on your cloak" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Every night Jonah prays to ask God if there's a new message he should deliver #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
this is weird, he's talking out loud, and it's like hearing half a conversation- as if God's voice in his head is clear & obvious #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
God tells him to go to Ninevah. The Ninevite ppl were bad! They stole! They slapped each other w fishes! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah says no, he can't go to Ninevah, Ninevah isn't god's chosen ppl, they shouldn't get a chance to repent. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"We're the good guys & they're the bad guys. Please don't send me there w a message of your message." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
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Back in the seafood restaurant, Bob shows up & the pirates say he should listen to the story too (bc he is mad at Dad Asparagus) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"Compassion is when you want to help someone who needs help. Mercy is when you give someone a 2nd chance when they don't desrve it." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
(Back to the Jonah story) The next morning, the townspeople ask Jonah "what's the word?" & he is all paranoid #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah says he is going to Tarshish bc it is the farthest from Ninevah #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah hires the pirates who don't do anything to take him to Tarshish #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
everything abt veggietales is SO FUNNY #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
On the ship, Jonah is unhappy, he goes below deck #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah meets Khalil the caterpillar who listens to motivational tapes #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales pic.twitter.com/BpYoYhQCLy—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Khalil explains that he sells Persian rugs door to door #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Khalil recognizes Jonah & is so excited. Jonah is famous! Khalil sells Jonah merchandise #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Khalil is SURE that Jonah is in love w a Ninevah woman whose father is the head of a group of camel thieves & that's why Jonah is upset #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Pa Grapes wakes up Jonah bc there is a storm! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Pa Grape says "get up & pray to your god! ... somebody up there must be really upset w somebody down here" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Meanwhile Larry & Lunt are playing "go fish" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Pa Grape says they all have to play go fish to "figure out scientifically" which of them god is mad at #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah loses. He announces that it's his fault. He's running away from God. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah: "I'm afraid the only thing left is to be thrown into the sea."—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Larry: "You don't have to do that. We got a plank! You can just walk off!" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Jonah gonna jump into the sea #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales pic.twitter.com/XxnsvdJ9lg—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Pa Grape prays that God won't hold them responsible for Jonah's death #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah jumps off. Immediately the storm stops, everything is calm, totally sunny #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
The pirates try to pull Jonah back into the ship. Jonah says "something touched me! There's something in the water!" *jaws music* #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
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but then a giant whale suddenly comes up out of nowhere & eats Jonah. the pirates are speechless. Is this movie appropriate for children? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
the pirates shoot a bowling ball & the whale eats it. Khalil was in that bowling ball. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah & Khalil are in the whale. Jonah is very unhappy. Khalil is optimistic. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
*Look around you"Look inside you! We're inside a whale! We're going to be digested!" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"The difference between you and me is you see the whale as half-empty & i see the whale as half-full." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah says he's going to die, & he's getting what he deserves for disobeying god #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Suddenly a gospel choir turns up. They seem to be angels. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
this is such a gospel song. i love it #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"Praise the Lord, he's the god of 2nd chances" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
this song cheers Jonah up. & Khalil is breakdancing of course. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Back at the restaurant, Pa Grape is narrating the story, says Jonah prayed for God's forgiveness #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
after 3 days, the whale barfs them out. Hooray! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah got his 2nd chance. He is on his way to ninevah now #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
On the way, he sees a veggie running away from ninevah, yelling "turn back." Scary. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah seems very nervous. he tells himself " go in, give the message, get out." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
At the gate of ninevah, he tells the guards he has a message for the whole city. the guards laugh & don't let them in. Jonah decides to give up #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Suddenly the 3 pirates show up. they explain that they spent all Jonah's money on cheese curls & won the sweepstakes & the prize was hats & a tour of the cheese curl factory in ninevah #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Suddenly some guards show up & arrest the pirates for stealing cheese curls #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
HOLY SHIT the 4 of them are in some kind of execution arena. is this movie okay for children? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales pic.twitter.com/z1Ot3kXym9—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
The pirates are arguing among themselves abt whose fault this is #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
A guard announces their punishment will be "the slap of no return." They demonstrate on a (somehow not sentient?????) pumpkin. everyone is horrified. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Suddenly Jonah yells out asking for a chance to speak. He mentions he was in the belly of a whale. They stop the execution to hear the story. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
The king says in ninevah they respect "the great fish", so they are very impressed about Jonah surviving in the whale. They want to hear his message. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah announces they need to stop cheating, stop stealing, stop slapping w fishes, or the city will be destroyed #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
The king of ninevah was very surprised, he didn't know those things were wrong. He makes a decree that they should stop doing bad things. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Suddenly all the ppl of ninevah are good. this is not realistic. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah doesn't think God would really forgive the ninevites. he goes up on a cliff to watch god destroy the city #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"I picked a safe distance so we won't get singed." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah: "This is going to be great! Bad guys finally getting what they deserve." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
God was compassionate & caused a [somehow not sentient???] plant to grow to shade Jonah. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Khalil eats the plant. Jonah is SO UNHAPPY. THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Khalil gives him a speech. You care more about that weed than all those people in ninevah! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Has it ever occurred to you that god loves everyone, not just you? God wants to give everyone a 2nd chance. & so should we #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Jonah can't stand it. He doesn't want god to give mercy to ninevah. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
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Back at the restaurant, the kids are like "that's the end? But what did Jonah learn????" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Bob decides to give Dad Asparagus a 2nd chance. even though he blames him for crashing the van. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Wow Twippo (Archibald Asparagus) is also there in the diner! He got lost on the way to his concert #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Twippo says he can give them a ride. Laura is sad, she lost her ticket. Junior gives her his ticket. Laura protests at first, but then accepts. Everyone smiles. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Twippo is so impressed by how merciful Junior is. He decides to give them all tickets & backstage passes #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Twippo sings a song—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"Jonah was a prophet [ooh ooh]
but he really never got it [sad but true]"
#PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
i love Archibald asparagus so much #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
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oh my god i forgot the newsboys wrote a song for this movie (during the credits)—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
"I'm sleeping with fishes here (in the belly of the whale)" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
So that's pretty much the end. The movie is about an hour long (not including credits) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
why are we only 2/3 through this youtube video though? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
wait for some reason at the 1hr 9 min mark, the movie starts up again, from the scene where Jonah meets Khalil?—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
whatever, i don't know what's going on with this youtube version #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Anyway that's the end of "Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie." Let's discuss. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
First of all, this is a whole movie. 1 hr long. I remember seeing it in a real movie theater when it came out. This is a big deal, all the other VeggieTales are about 30 minutes #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
All right, let's start out by talking about the concept of obedience.—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Note: Obedience is taught to kids as a virtue (see "Josh & The Big Wall") but in reality IT'S NOT #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Obedience means you do what someone tells you to do. Why on earth would that be inherently a good thing? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
@pnumber628 Well, it would be considered a good thing to those who wish to control others in a socially acceptable way, so to speak, but that's another topic, entirely.—Katrina Jones ?? (@katrinahood777) 2018-04-05
If someone tells you to do something, there are a lot of considerations that go into deciding whther you should actually do it #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
1. did they ask you to do something that's explicitly immoral?—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
2. are you required to perform certain tasks they ask for? (ie you have to do things your boss says, assuming they fall under job responsibilities your contract said)
#PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
3. BOUNDARIES. You're not required to give someone your time/energy/money/emotional labor just because they asked #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Anyway, in Jonah's case, God told him to go to ninevah.—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
I believe we should have the right to not do these "special missions" that God asks of us. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
I used to believe in a god that owned me. "I am not my own." At any moment, he (yes it was a he) could require me to give up everyting that's important to me #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
That was a bad god & i'm glad i'm not in a "personal relationship" w him anymore #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
so i'm very NOT OKAY with "Jonah disobeyed God, therefore he deserved to get swallowed by a whale & die" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
I'm no longer willing to have a "personal relationship" w ANY god. Even a good loving god. Bc a relationship w that big of a power imbalance would almost certainly be abusive #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
I once heard a story abt when Obama was president, he would go out to dinner w his staff, & he wouldn't tell them what restaurant he preferred bc then they would feel like they HAVE to go there #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
That's exactly why I don't pray to ask God for "guidance" about my life decisions. Bc if God gives me a "suggestion" then i pretty much HAVE TO obey it. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
The power imbalance would mean i'm not really allowed to make my own decisions. So I'm not willing to be in a "personal relationship w god" again. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
& obedience is not inherently a good thing. If someone tells you to do something, you should consider whether you're under some kind of agreement which obligates you to do things for them (eg marriage, work contract, parenthood) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
... & even if you are obligated to do things for them, there is a limit to it #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
& if you're not obligated to do things for them, then that means they're asking as a favor & you are free to decide if you want to do it or not (BOUNDARIES!) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Note, though, that if you choose to not do it, they might stop being your friend/ be unwilling to help you.—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
So you're allowed to say no, but consider what the outcome would be. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Anyway, i think it's absurd that we teach "obedience" to kids as if it's a virtue #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Kids should NOT be taught to obey god.—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
ONLY obey god after you've judged god & determined they are worthy of your obedience. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Because there are a lot of gods out there. For example, the god i dedicated my life to, back when i was evangelical, believed a lot of nasty dehumanizing lies abt ppl, & thought everyone deserved to go to hell #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
I suppose kids are taught "obedience" so that they will obey their parents.—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
I feel like it would be better to teach "you should obey your parents if they are asking you to do reasonable things" but how does a kid judge what's "reasonable"? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
I think the parent should always listen to their kids & be willing to explain the reasons. Show the kid that they can trust you & you care abt their concerns. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
that way the kid will trust that if the parent wants them to do something, there must be a good reason #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Anyway let's move on & talk abt "mercy" in VeggieTales "Jonah" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
in church i was always taught "grace" means "giving something good to someone who doesn't deserve it" & "mercy" means "not giving something bad that they DO deserve" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
VeggieTales defined "mercy" as "giving someone a 2nd chance they don't deserve" (pretty much the same as the Sunday school definition i learned) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
So i always understood "mercy" & "grace" as carrying an implicit judgment- "I'm helping you but YOU DON'T DESERVE IT"—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
it's just in the last few years i'm starting to think other Christians define it differently #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
For example, i think Catholics sometimes refer to their ministries helping poor ppl as "mercy" & they just mean they're helping ppl who need help, NOT that their receipients "don't deserve it" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Bob was mad at Dad Asparagus for being a bad copilot. But Bob got guilted into "giving him a 2nd chance." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
They didn't talk abt what went wrong & how to prevent it. didn't give Bob a chance to actually process his feelings. It was just "you have to give him a 2nd chance bc it's the right thing to do" w/o actually laying out what that means in reality #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
You're not allowed to be mad. You're not allowed to set boundaries about "if you're in my passenger seat, you have to do this, this, and this, or else i won't let you sit there" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
It is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE that children in Sunday school are taught about forgiveness without also teaching about boundaries. We should NEVER EVER EVER talk about forgiveness without talking about boundaries. NEVER. EVER.Just stomp down your feelings, give him a 2nd chance, & hope (with no evidence to back it up at all) that next time will be different #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
And let's talk abt Junior giving his ticket to Laura- sacrificing his opportunity to see the concert #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Sure, it's very generous to do that. But I don't think it should be held up as a role model or as "the right thing to do." It's perfectly fine to NOT be willing to make that sacrifice- especially to someone who teased you #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
& when Twippo sees Junior's generosity, he decides to give the whole group tickets & backstage passes. That's ALWAYS how it works in these stories for kids. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
In kids' stories, you make a sacrifice, & someone is SO IMPRESSED by it that they give you something that's even better than the thing you sacrificed #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
The real world usually doesn't work that way #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
I wish that when i was a kid i had been taught "DO NOT sacrifice something that's really important to you, for someone who won't appreciate it" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
instead i was taught that it's always good to be generous & sacrifice for other ppl #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
All right, another thing: This movie had a few parts that were EXTREMELY scary/violent. The whale appearing out of nowhere to eat Jonah. The execution arena where the "slap of no return" was demonstrated on an object #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
We all already know the story, so when the whale eats Jonah, we all saw it coming & weren't concerned. But can you imagine if you didn't know he would be okay? Like HOLY SHIT #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
There are a lot of EXTREMELY VIOLENT bible stories, & Christians barely even notice how violent & disturbing they are bc these are the stories we've grown up with, they're so mundane & normal to us #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Haha, anyone remember "Plugged In Online", the movie review site from Focus on the Family? I remember reading their review of VeggieTales Jonah, back in the day. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
I remember being SO CONFUSED when I saw there was a "Plugged In" review for VeggieTales Jonah. Like, it's a Christian movie. OBVIOUSLY it's safe. Why would there be anything else to say about it? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Okay let's talk abt at the end when Jonah sat down to watch the destruction of Ninevah (which did not happen) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
I think it's fine for him to have feelings about "this isn't fair". But Khalil's speech abt how ridiculous Jonah was being was good #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Let's talk abt the Ninevites.—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
So apparently ALL of them are mean, they lie & cheat & slap each other w fish #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
I'm really not a fan of how Christians say that the "bad" nations god punished in the old testament were all bad & deserved it #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
like, realistically what you would have had is one demographic with power, oppressing people of a different demographic #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
it's because modern white evangelicals are all about "we're all sinners" & don't get that systemic injustice is a thing #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
For example: Christians talk abt how this or that old testament nation was BAD because they sacrificed children to idols #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
WELL IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE the ppl promoting/participating in child sacrifice were bad, AND THE CHILDREN WERE INNOCENT #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
God's gonna send another nation to attack bc one nation deserves to be punished for child sacrifice. Umm, really? Don't you know that in a war, children are the most vulnerable & most likely to suffer? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Overall, i think the idea of "giving someone a 2nd chance" really depends on what they did wrong & what boundaries you've put into place to address the problem & prevent it happening again #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
it's not true that you should always give someone a 2nd chance #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
and Jonah choosing to "disobey god" & not go to ninevah WASN'T EVEN SINFUL #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
It's not right how Jonah not going to ninevah, & the ninevites living a cruel lifestyle of fish-slapping were treated as pretty much equivalent, give them both a 2nd chance #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
Also the ninevites didn't know they were being mean? WTF? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
And they just suddenly all turned into good ppl? really? in reality it takes time to unlearn bad habits. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
but that's pretty much exactly the same as the bible story, so whatever #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
in reality though, ppl can't just suddenly "turn from their wickedness" bc they want to. They have to actually go through the process of LEARNING HOW #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
okay that's all i got to say for "Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie." Thanks for tuning in everyone~ #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05
lololololol VeggieTales "Jonah" has outtakes too #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIXNdFShI2E …—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-04-05