Welcome to #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales! Let's watch "The Star of Christmas" (2002) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o70DCe92b1s …—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
We start with Bob & Larry talking about their success in writing jingles. But Bob wants more- he wants to "teach London to love" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
VeggieTales "The Toy that Saved Christmas" was very war-on-Christmas flavored, I wonder if "The Star of Christmas" will be too. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Uncle Nezzar gives Bob & Larry some sort of business opportunity #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Pa Grape shows up in a ... rocket-powered car??? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
I'm very confused abt the plot of this story so far, but Larry's costume is THE BEST #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales pic.twitter.com/EkAW2Go7QM—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Ah, Bob & Larry (Cavis & Millward, respectively) are putting on a play called "The Princess and the Plumber" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The play opens on Christmas Eve (3 days) but Larry hasn't finished writing it yet! Bob is so worried!—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Larry: "I'm stuck on a rhyme. Possum." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Bob is so excited abt using electric lights in their play. Electric lights on the scenery! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob is so excited, this play is their "big break", if they're successful then they won't have to write advertising jingles anymore #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Madame Blueberry plays the famous actress that Bob wants in their play #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The play is a love story between a princess & a plumber—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
to be honest, this sounds like something from a Mario game
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Bob is trying to convince this actress to be in the play, at the same time the French pea is trying to convince the prince to come see it #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob explains that the play is "all for a good cause." It will "teach London to love." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
"Blossom!"—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Larry finally found something that rhymes with "possum." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
I feel like I am way less familiar with this VeggieTales episode than the others, so i'm a bit lost trying to tweet at the same time i watch #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Meanwhile, some church kids (led by Junior, who's ordering everybody around) are preparing their Christmas pageant. Also on Christmas Eve. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Dad Asparagus: "Sometimes a simple presentation is the best way to let the message shine through."—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Junior: "Oh it's gonna shine all right. I've got about 20 pounds of glitter!" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Dad is going to bring food to an unemployed family. Junior says he shouldn't do that now, he needs to help get ready for the pageant. Dad says helping ppl is more important. That's the meaning of xmas. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob goes to the church to check this pageant- to see if it's a competitive threat to his play #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
oh my goddddddd Archibald Asparagus is a wealth of historical information on "the Star of Christmas" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The church is letting the kids use the "Star of Christmas" in their pageant. Archibald decides this is big news & publishes it on the front page of the paper. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob, Larry, & Pa Grape are worried everyone will go to the church pageant instead of coming to their show. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob says it's okay if they don't have an audience- they just need the prince #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The prince calls to say he's not coming to Bob & Larry's play. He needs to see the Star of Christmas #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob is so upset abt their "big break" being ruined. He really wanted to teach London to love! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The 3 of them are trying to make a plan to get the prince to come to their show instead of the church pageant #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob decides they need to make their whole play "more spectacular" so it can outshine the Star of Christmas. MORE LIGHTS! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
"Your pipes are corroded—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Your water won't drain
Your toilet exploded
YOU'RE FLUSHING IN VAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"
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Bob says they need to put light bulbs on the costumes #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob calls the prince to tell him how much more spectacular their show is now. Hoping the prince will decide to see it instead of the church pageant #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The prince says he will only come if their play has the Star of Christmas. Bob seems to be hatching an evil plan. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
oooooh Bob & Larry have snuck into the church at night. Bob is wearing a huge top hat. So sneaky. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob reassures Larry they are not "stealing" the star, because they're going to bring it right back when their play is done. And it's the right thing to do bc it will teach London to love. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob & Larry get the star. Larry insists is looks like a turtle. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Larry knocked down a bunch of communion trays. Moyer the Destroyer (played by Scooter the carrot) wakes up and chases them #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Moyer the Destroyer shouts an impressive list of threats as he chases Bob & Larry #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob & Larry fall out the church belltower & land in a cart full of laundry #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob & Larry are all black & blue, but they got the star! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Princess sings in the rehearsal:—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
"Love was right beneath my nose, underneath my sink." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales pic.twitter.com/k7RJWHfOeK
So this is the love story that Bob thinks will "teach London to love" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
"Love will flow like water, running down the drain."—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
WOWWW this is hilarious #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
WOWWW light bulbs everywhere! and that turtle thing hanging in front of the flags is the Star of Christmas #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales pic.twitter.com/aLwpRoUI3a—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The light is overwhelming everyone. Sparks everywhere. And then the theatre is on fire! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
oh no the theater burned down #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Suddenly, Moyer shows up with a policeman & says Bob & Larry are the ones who stole the star from the church. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales pic.twitter.com/LfSyzL3KM3—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob & Larry are in jail on Christmas eve, so sad #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob says he "just wanted to teach London to love." Another prisoner asks how he was going to do that. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The prisoner laughs at Bob's idea- "Teach London to love with light bulbs!" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The prisoner explains that real love is when you give something to someone, when there's "nothing in it for you" but he doesn't believe it's real #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
*un-asked-forDad & Junior are visiting Bob & Larry in jail. oh geez Dad launches into an in-asked-for gospel presentation #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Dad & Junior said they will not press charges. They can go free. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob's like "we can go see your pageant!" Dad explains it took them over an hour to walk to the jail, they were planning to miss their own pageant to come get Bob & Larry out of jail #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Pa Grape shows up with his rocket car. Larry is so excited he can drive it- "We've gotta make it to that church on time!" wowww Mission Impossible music #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Dad Asparagus looks so scared. Junior is so excited. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
oh my goddd this is such good comedy, they keep crashing through various buildings & coming out with hats & such on them #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
the just used the last rocket! oh no! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Wait! They still have rocket 11! Even though Pa Grape said "under no circumstances use rocket 11" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
wow rocket 11 launches them into the air #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Moyer welcomes guests at the door of the church. Mr. Lunt (the prince) walks in. :) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Junior says they didn't steal the real star of Christmas, the real star of Christmas "isn't something you can steal" *gestures toward manger*—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
i rolled my eyes so much #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Junior reads from the bible story, while the other kids are the actors #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
At the bit about the wise men following the star, Bob lowers Larry (attached to a giant star full of light bulbs) over the stage #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales pic.twitter.com/kvToOydvq3—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
oh geez. Bob just has this realization "There's only one story that can really show us how to love. And this is it." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Mr Nezzar shows up, angry abt how Bob & Larry burned down his theatre. "The two of you can work for me in my factory until it's paid off." A VEGGIETALES EASTER EGG!!!!! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
wait—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Moyer shows up with the real Star of Christmas. "It was in my sock drawer all along!" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales
Moyer says Bob & Larry actually stole the Turtle of Damascus. "Not nearly as valuable. Some say it's a hoax." you guysss i love veggietales so much. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob & Larry go back to the jail to give Christmas cookies to the prisoner they met earlier. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
ah they're playing the song "O Come O Come Emmanuel" i will always love that song #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
and that's the end! seems kind of sudden? no credits? maybe this youtube version cut them off? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
All right, let's discuss VeggieTales "The Star of Christmas." #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Well first of all, I've been going through all the VeggieTales movies in the order they were released, & at this point i'm getting to the ones that came out about when i was getting too old for VeggieTales #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
My family did own a copy of "The Star of Christmas", back in the day, but i only watched it a few times. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
So the first thing I want to say is, I totally loved the humor in this episode. So much stuff in VeggieTales is just OBJECTIVELY HILARIOUS & maybe being less familiar with this episode i enjoyed the jokes even more #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Like, they were making a play called "The Princess & the Plummer" full of extremely bad metaphors about falling in love over plumbing. THAT IS FANTASTIC. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
As far as the Christian message kids are supposed to learn from this: Well this episode didn't have the "what we learned today" wrap-up, but it still was teaching an explicit message. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
I suppose the theme for this episode was "love." Bob was sure that his play would "teach London to love." (Seems like this is a response to the suffering he sees in London?) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
But then, when they are thrown in jail, Bob learns (from the other prisoner) that real love is when you give to someone without needing anything in return, or when you make a sacrifice for someone #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Then Dad & Junior showed love by not pressing charges, & by missing their pageant in order to get Bob & Larry out of jail #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
(though in a happy turn of events, they didn't end up missing the pageant) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Then at the pageant, everyone hears the story of Jesus' birth, & Bob realizes this is the only story that can really teach ppl to love. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
I am SO not a fan of Dad & Junior deciding to miss their pageant in order to get Bob & Larry out of jail. What an unnecessary sacrifice. Why not just let them spend the night in jail, & get them out the next day? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The pageant was SO IMPORTANT to Junior. It's very NOT COOL how the movie has him just throwing that away to help ppl who STOLE FROM THEM #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
And they didn't even need to miss the pageant- they could have just gone to get Bob & Larry out of jail the next day! That would have been fine! #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Throwing away something you worked hard on, something that's so important to you, in order to help someone in a way that's slightly more convenient to them, ugh i just hate it #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
You know, when I was little, & i was a good church kid, my parents actually DID NOT LET ME be this self-sacrificing #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
I remember one time, our church was collecting money to send to some humanitarian crisis on the other side of the world, & i had a $20 bill in my piggy bank & i was gonna donate it #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
& my parents were like whoa whoa whoa, wow that is a lot of money for a little kid, like that's most of the money in your piggy bank, are you really sure you want to give that much? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
They said i should really think abt it & pray abt it. I was so confused- as i prayed abt it, all i could think was that giving is good, so how can anyone say it's bad to give "too much"? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
So i ended up donating the money anyway. But i really had to reassure my parents, many times, that i was really really sure about it. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
& in college when i was into "radical Christian missions" & feeling guilty for having nice things when some hypothetical person somewhere is starving... #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
i wanted to sell my iPod & some other stuff so i could donate money, & my parents talked me out of it. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
i think it's really really bad, this idea of sacrificing something that's really really important to you, when it's unclear if your sacrifice is actually benefitting anybody (or benefitting to an extent that the sacrifice was worth it) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Or at least, they love to tell stories about it in chuch. But I don't think I saw people literally living that way. (Note: It is extremely unhealthy to literally live that way.)but Christian culture just looooooves that kind of thing #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Really really not cool how Dad & Junior made the decision to skip their pageant #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
One problem is it could make the receipient of the sacrifice feel really bad. When they realize how much you sacrificed for them, they feel like it wasn't worth it, you shouldn't have done that. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
A 2nd problem is, if you make a big sacrifice in order to help someone, & they don't seem to understand/appreciate how much it cost you, you might end up getting angry at them #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Because it was such a huge sacrifice for you, you have a lot of emotions invested in the outcome. You have expectations (maybe subconscious) abt how your act of sacrifice will make everything so good #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
You might be subconsciously hoping for people to notice and appreciate what you did #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
But then maybe no one seems to notice. Maybe it looks to you like you didn't need to make that sacrifice after all, like it made no difference. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
And now you're sad & angry- and maybe even angry at the people you were "helping" by making the sacrifice in the 1st place. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
unfortunately, good Christians aren't allowed to have those emotions, & aren't allowed to have other motives behind their sacrifices- and that means you don't have the tools to process & handle what you're feeling #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
So you make some big sacrifice, thinking you're doing this big amazing thing, but in the end you're just angry abt it & you can't even understand exactly why & you can't tell other ppl bc Christians aren't allowed to feel that way #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Like, the whole thing is a mess . Because good Christians aren't allowed to prioritize their own happiness. We always have to "put others first" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
@pnumber628 Did you hear that song growing up that was like “j-o-y, j-o-y this must surely mean/Jesus first and yourself last and others inbetween”?—Panic! this Saturday Nate (@NathanOfOz) 2018-03-22
That song messed with my head, because the message was basically “you should treat every other person as more important than yourself.”
@NathanOfOz i was taught the "JOY" acronym but never in song form—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
and basically yeah, it meant you always have to put others' need before your own, that's so unhealthy
@pnumber628 I was taught pretty much everything in song format.—Panic! this Saturday Nate (@NathanOfOz) 2018-03-23
@NathanOfOz lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-23
all those years of VBS, huh?
Anyway, it is very NOT COOL how Junior decided to get Bob & Larry out of jail, & miss the pageant that he had worked so hard on. IT'S OKAY to refuse to give something up bc it means a lot to you. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
All right let's talk about Bob's ideas about love. Seems like at first he was just thinking of love in the romantic sense? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Like, was the idea that "The Princess & the Plumber" was such a sweet romantic story, & that's how it would "teach London to love"? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
I'm not sure i see the connection between romance with one's partner & people just being good to each other in general #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Well i guess the point was that Bob's idea wasn't what love really is, so it's not supposed to make sense #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
But then- all right this part was quite bad- at the church pageant, Bob has his realization that Jesus' birth is the only story that can REALLY teach ppl to love. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Like, what? The church pageant was basically just reading the bible story. It didn't come with a sermon that explained why this is important & how it's connected to the concept of love #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
like..... this really only makes sense if Bob (and the audience for this VeggieTales movie) already knows the story of Jesus & is already a Christian, but just appreciated having the reminder abt it #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Because the movie didn't really explain anything about how Jesus' birth is connected to love #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
wait let me go back & see how Dad Asparagus talked abt it near the beginning, & in the jail scene #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Ah. When Junior tries to get Dad to help with the pageant instead of bringing food to the unemployed family, Dad explains that on Christmas, God came to us to show us love, so that's what we should do for people. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
At the jail, Dad tells Bob & Larry that Christmas means God came to help us even when we didn't deserve it, so that's why they're not going to press charges. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
So the movie does sort of explain how the story of Jesus' birth is connected to God's love & that sets an example for how we should love people #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
like, sort of #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
But very not cool how Bob is like "this is the only story that can really teach ppl to love" [talking about the story of Jesus' birth]—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
that is some Christian supremacist crap
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seems like he's saying non-Christians aren't truly able to love #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
also Star Wars can teach ppl to love. and there are tons of good stories out there that serve as inspiration for us to be good & love ppl. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Another aspect we should talk abt: Bob was so sure that his play would "teach London to love" that he believed his stealing the star of Christmas was justified #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob explicitly says this. Larry says maybe it's wrong to steal the star, but Bob reassures him that their play is so important to London, so stealing (or, ahem, "borrowing") is totally justified #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Bob says the people of London are practically begging for them to steal the star. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
The point is, sometimes you can get so caught up in your own idea, that you start thinking it's okay to do shady/immoral things bc it's for such a good reason #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
So let's sum up VeggieTales "The Star of Christmas" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
First of all, I think the overall message (about how love means giving to ppl without needing anything in return, etc) is good #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
As a Christian, I'm a huge fan of the story of Jesus' birth, & i very much believe it does show us what love is (just like Dad Asparagus said) #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
But it's certainly NOT TRUE that the ONLY way ppl can understand love is by believing in Jesus #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Also, if they had said love means giving/sacrificing, & showed the example of Dad bringing food to the unemployed family, & Dad/Junior deciding not to press charges, & left it at that, that would have been good. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
But ugghhhh they show Junior sacrificing his Christmas pageant which was SO IMPORTANT TO HIM, just so Bob & Larry can spend a few less hours in jail. NOT COOL. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Like, I 100% believe it's good to be generous & give to others & not expect anything in return. But DO NOT give up something that's so important to you, that you've invested a lot of emotions in. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
all right i just realized i have way more FEELINGS ABOUT THIS then i initially thought #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Do you know i used to live that way? i used to really try my best to live with "Jesus first, others second, yourself third" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
i believed that my own desires & emotions were negligible & i should give them up at a moment's notice if it could potentially help someone #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
Do you know how hard it is, emotionally, to live that way? To invest time/energy/emotion into some project or plan, and know that you might just have to throw the whole thing out if an opportunity to help someone arises? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
unstable, unreliable, unpredictable—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
you can't live that way and be healthy
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and yes, i know that in VeggieTales "The Star of Christmas" nobody was saying you should give up EVERYTHING that's important to you. Junior only gave up the pageant, that's all. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
But if it's good to sacrifice, then why not sacrifice more? if it's good to put others first, then why not drop everything you worked hard on if it might be mildly more convenient for someone else? #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
See, if you teach "it's good to sacrifice/ give to help others" then you also need to teach "your desires matter & your emotions matter." & nobody in church ever taught me that. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
i have a lot of opinions abt this. because back when i had "a personal relationship w god" i really did try to "put others first" & live like my own feelings didn't matter #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
but that's all i'll say for now~ good night everybody, hope you enjoyed my opinions abt veggietales #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
oh i thought of 1 more thing #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
It is good to "give without expecting anything in return." BUT. It is also reasonable to give WITH expecting something in return. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
You should be honest with yourself abt what you are expecting in return, or else you might end up disappointed & confused abt your own feelings & maybe even angry at the receipient #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
If there is something so important to you, that you don't feel like you can give it up "without expecting anything in return" then probably the best thing to do is NOT GIVE IT UP. #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
All right it turns out I have more to say about "giving without expecting anything in return": In almost all circumstances, when a person gives something, they expect at least a "thank you" or some sign of appreciation in return. And that's FINE. That's perfectly NORMAL. There's nothing wrong with feeling that way- but you should be honest with yourself about how you feel and what you're hoping to get as a result of giving your gift. And evaluate your expectations to see if they're realistic.It is NOT bad to be unwilling to "give without expecting anything in return" #PerfectNumberWatchesVeggieTales—Perfect Number (@pnumber628) 2018-03-22
What if Dad and Junior came to get Bob and Larry out of jail, and Bob and Larry said "No thanks, we are fine staying in jail for tonight"? Don't you think Dad and Junior would have been upset by that? Like "Hey, we gave up our whole Christmas pageant to come all the way down here for you, and you don't even want it?!!!" Probably, in return for their sacrifice, they were expecting to feel like heroes who did such a good godly thing and even had an opportunity to "share the gospel." They probably weren't even aware that's what they wanted "in return"- they probably truly believed they were "giving without expecting anything in return." But it's very very rare that that's actually the case.
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Related:
Perfect Number Watches VeggieTales "The Toy That Saved Christmas" (1996)
To see all my VeggieTales reviews: Perfect Number Watches VeggieTales (Master Post)
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