tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626292304461574111.post358376453901706072..comments2023-12-27T19:24:48.254-05:00Comments on Tell me why the world is weird: Why No One Will Ever Agree About Abortionperfectnumber628http://www.blogger.com/profile/10303683510076315803noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626292304461574111.post-32331535119451876622012-12-13T14:04:30.347-05:002012-12-13T14:04:30.347-05:00The first argument is my attempt to account for wh...The first argument is my attempt to account for why feminists are overwhelmingly pro-choice. If it's fine for any 2 consenting adults to have sex, regardless of commitment between them, then the burden of the pregnancy falls entirely on the woman- and one can argue that this is sexist and unfair. If the argument doesn't make sense, well that's because I don't agree with it, or maybe I am not representing it well.<br /><br /><br />I think you make a good point about how the real causes of abortion need to be addressed, rather than politicians trying to make a bunch of detailed laws about when it is and is not okay to have an abortion. I have heard of far too many cases were bureaucracy overwhelms common sense/ actual health concerns.perfectnumber628http://tellmewhytheworldisweird.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626292304461574111.post-1547678795824155462012-12-13T13:49:56.685-05:002012-12-13T13:49:56.685-05:00I also have started to consider the idea that the ...I also have started to consider the idea that the government shouldn't be involved at all. If there are going to be restrictions on abortion, doctors should be in charge of that, not politicians who have no idea about the practical side of health-related things.perfectnumber628http://tellmewhytheworldisweird.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626292304461574111.post-34573042885567833092012-12-13T13:42:56.476-05:002012-12-13T13:42:56.476-05:00Thanks for that stat (and by the way, for those cu...Thanks for that stat (and by the way, for those curious, here is a link to back it up http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/women_who.html ). <br /><br />Also relevant: 51% of American adults are married (source: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/12/14/barely-half-of-u-s-adults-are-married-a-record-low/ ). So yes, abortion is disproportionately common among women who are not married.perfectnumber628http://tellmewhytheworldisweird.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626292304461574111.post-12251606737914182422012-12-13T13:31:34.468-05:002012-12-13T13:31:34.468-05:00I don't think your first argument makes any se...I don't think your first argument makes any sense. If I believe that it's okay for any two unmarried consenting adults to have sex, how does that make abortion necessary? What if I believe that it's okay for two unmarried consenting adults to have sex, as long as they are willing to take responsibility for the consequences?<br /><br /><br />There are so many instances in which abortion has nothing to do with marital status, or even personal responsibility. I think most people (some notable politicians excluded) would allow for abortion in the case of rape, incest, or where pregnancy threatened the life of the mother. And there are cases of fetuses with genetic disorders, such as trisomy 13, which will not cause a miscarriage or threaten the life of the mother, but usually result in a baby that dies within the first year (with terrible quality of life). These are dark, awful choices to make, but these circumstances exist. I don't care if they're only .5% of all abortions or whatever - the right to choose in these situations needs to be protected.<br /><br /><br />But I don't want the government to say things like, "If your fetus has trisomy 13, you can abort it, but if it has Down Syndrome you have to keep it" or "If your fetus has a heartbeat, you can't abort" or "Your doctor doesn't have to tell you if your baby has a problem, since you might abort" or "If you can prove that you were a victim of rape or incest, you can abort." Leave it up to the woman and her doctor. This is why I'm pro-choice - nothing to do with my views on sex inside/outside marriage.<br /><br />If 99.5% of abortions are out of convenience, that's a symptom of other problems with our society - poor sex education, too much casual sex, a culture that doesn't value human life, selfishness, poverty, lack of access to good jobs and daycare, whatever. Let's investigate why women choose this, and tackle those problems.anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626292304461574111.post-13146382890531515822012-12-13T10:44:49.446-05:002012-12-13T10:44:49.446-05:00It would appear that the only reasonable solution ...It would appear that the only reasonable solution is to not involve Mama government at all. Impose no laws defining what abortion is or isn't, and let judges interpret already existing laws. If they think it's murder, it is. If they don't it isn't. Then you would tend to get judges who agree with the general position of their locale, allowing people to choose where they live based on the position of that locale. The fed doesn't need to be involved, it'll only serve to inflame the issue and restrict the right of people to live their lives the best way they can.personnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626292304461574111.post-1931292899738993012012-12-13T02:21:49.515-05:002012-12-13T02:21:49.515-05:00According to the National Abortion Federation, 83%...According to the National Abortion Federation, 83% of women getting abortions are unmarried. So no, not everyone getting an abortion is doing so because of promiscuity, but instances where that is not the case are definitely a minority.Alena Merimeehttp://www.facebook.com/alena.merimeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626292304461574111.post-42438759282683166892012-12-13T02:21:25.269-05:002012-12-13T02:21:25.269-05:00This is a really good point, and it seems like a s...This is a really good point, and it seems like a situation that the pro-life side is totally blind to. Women who get abortions are always portrayed as unmarried and promiscuous. I'd be interested to see statistics on what percentage of women who get abortions are married.perfectnumber628http://tellmewhytheworldisweird.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626292304461574111.post-77986392847875986322012-12-13T02:18:51.044-05:002012-12-13T02:18:51.044-05:00I've never seen the arguments stated in quite ...I've never seen the arguments stated in quite this way. There is one case that I don't think you've addressed. What about married couples who can't afford to (either financially or in terms of time investment) raise a/another child?Ed Venatornoreply@blogger.com